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BlueCheese

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35. And because they bombed Pearl Harbor.

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:03 AM

Mar 2013

And there was widespread disgust with their invasion of China and southeast Asia.

I have a lot of family from that part of the world-- nobody there thinks that the Japanese occupation was anything but a nightmare.

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Other than the European theatre of World War II, can you name any MAJOR examples [View all] Ken Burch Mar 2013 OP

The Civil War comes to mind Sedona Mar 2013 #1

That was internal. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #3

"The rest of the world." WinkyDink Mar 2013 #18

Civil war was not fought for the poor, or the slaves, or any other "little people". n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #37

Clinton tried the stop the Balkan Genocide MrScorpio Mar 2013 #2

All Clinton really achieved with that was to convince "liberals" Ken Burch Mar 2013 #4

The difference was that Clinton tried to work within the International Community… MrScorpio Mar 2013 #5

In the end, the people of the Balkans didn't gain from the Nato bombings. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #6

The problem with citing any instance where war is used for a particular purpose… MrScorpio Mar 2013 #10

But that wasn't the point of your question Nevernose Mar 2013 #11

People of Bosnia and Kosovo would disagree with you on that one. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #13

and if not for the bombings DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #49

I think the bombing helped the people to stand up and overthrow Milosevic madokie Mar 2013 #61

"Clinton tried to work within the International Community" is false green for victory Mar 2013 #48

+100 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #53

Thanks for that. That is a great find. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #55

"No evidence of genocide was found by the FBI and UN investigators after the war." Not true. pampango Mar 2013 #60

didn't we also bomb the Chinese embassy "by mistake" in that war? NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #69

The ICTY ruled Srebrenica was genocide. The FBI investigated war crimes in Kosovo hack89 Mar 2013 #111

are you talking about yugoslavia? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #50

Here: ProSense Mar 2013 #7

It doesn't matter who you nominate to the World Bank Ken Burch Mar 2013 #8

That wasn't exactly the point of the entire post, was it? n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #9

Not at all...and thanks for posting that ProSense! Cha Mar 2013 #26

LOL. cliffordu Mar 2013 #42

No kidding at all. The World Bank is a moral dead loss. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #47

You've got some support from the Texas GOP on that. pampango Mar 2013 #85

What the Texas GOP says doesn't matter. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #86

I don't agree. What they say matters because it is usually wrong. pampango Mar 2013 #92

It was FDR's idea, but it never worked as FDR intended. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #95

Thanks for posting that, Prosense - cliffordu Mar 2013 #41

what a fucking joke. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #51

Yeah, facts are a "fucking joke." ProSense Mar 2013 #80

WW II wasn't really about the poor or dispossessed either. Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #12

It at least stood AGAINST an anti-worker regime in its fight to control Europe. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #14

I'm sure there are a lot of people in line for an apology for the US indifference Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #15

You think the US fighting the Japanese does not apply? MicaelS Mar 2013 #16

The fight against Japan was largely a trade war. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #17

And because they bombed Pearl Harbor. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #35

Tell that to the 35 million Chinese that were slaughtered, you cliffordu Mar 2013 #43

Before the Japanese came in, they were being slaughtered by Chaing Kai-Shek. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #57

So it's all the same, huh? RZM Mar 2013 #81

The U.S. didn't fight Japan over Japan's Asian atrocities WHATSOEVER. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #19

? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #21

This is a good point - the USA's actions up to that point were non-aggressive muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #59

As opposed to all those other countries! cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #20

Hee hee. Zax2me Mar 2013 #22

Other countries do horrible things, but none claim that their nations have a special claim Ken Burch Mar 2013 #23

really? dsc Mar 2013 #25

Bwah! Recursion Mar 2013 #76

No. nt raouldukelives Mar 2013 #24

The poor and dispossessed generally don't benefit from war bhikkhu Mar 2013 #27

Which makes the case for far less war, agreed. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #28

Why limit it to the European theater? Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #29

I think the war against the Japanese Empire was just, but as you have already dealt with that issue apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #30

I wasn't talking just about the use of force. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #31

Those are good questions, and I'll be the first to say I don't have all the answers, just opinions. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33

Bosnia. Kosovo. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #32

I think some of our other wars or conflicts were just, or justifiable... BlueCheese Mar 2013 #34

Big Ken ignores all the truths you just named. cliffordu Mar 2013 #40

I don't hate...and why the personal enmity? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #65

Because your OP is a bogus posit cliffordu Mar 2013 #83

I do. I don't have to love what our leaders have done to the world to prove that. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #88

Yet, you say something hostile to the direction of this country cliffordu Mar 2013 #91

I don't have to prove my love of the country to you. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #96

YOU said you loved the country in a post above this one. .... cliffordu Mar 2013 #97

I do love the country...but there's no point in starting OP's on that theme Ken Burch Mar 2013 #98

To quote you: cliffordu Mar 2013 #99

Here is my notion of true patriotism Ken Burch Mar 2013 #100

I never implied...to quote you, again: cliffordu Mar 2013 #102

I've done posts and OP's that praised Obama on some things. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #103

Again: Not demanding anything, cliffordu Mar 2013 #105

I just said I did. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #106

This conversation is not harassment cliffordu Mar 2013 #107

We have a long and bloody history of fighting against the poor, dispossessed and working people. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #36

The Indian wars, the Spanish-American war, the Mexican-American war... politicat Mar 2013 #38

Didn't say they were...and your post largely supports my basic view Ken Burch Mar 2013 #45

It is high time we relinquished our booty from the Spanish-American War AngryAmish Mar 2013 #79

Golly gosh, cliffordu Mar 2013 #39

I don't "hate America" Ken Burch Mar 2013 #46

Kosovo leaps to mind. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #44

I can't think of any example of any imperial power fighting for the poor or dispossessed. In all HiPointDem Mar 2013 #52

We weren't SUPPOSED to be an imperial power. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #54

we were an imperial power from the beginning. first, we were part of other people's empires, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #56

It was inevitable that we would be The2ndWheel Mar 2013 #63

Not in WWII, either Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #58

Actually, that's pretty much how foreign policy works EVERYWHERE cali Mar 2013 #62

Isolating South Africa, pushing for peace in Northern Ireland... Recursion Mar 2013 #64

Our leaders weren't sincere about opposing apartheid. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #66

Ah, you have a window into our leaders' souls! Recursion Mar 2013 #67

Not their souls, their actions. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #70

Also, SALT, Somalia, East Timor, and Northern Ireland aren't "major" to you? Recursion Mar 2013 #68

Nothing got better in Somalia. SALT didn't stop the arms race(or even come close) Ken Burch Mar 2013 #72

You're moving the goalposts. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #84

Actually, no...we didn't fight for "the dispossessed", we fought against Aidid. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #87

Somalia was under Clinton. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #89

I also rewrote my OP to make it clear that I wasn't talking solely about the use of military force. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #90

The Peace Core WCGreen Mar 2013 #71

Way too underfunded, designed so that most people can't even join it. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #73

There has to be a motive behind any action taken by nation states WCGreen Mar 2013 #74

I admire the volunteers...most of whom were radicalized and came home and spoke truth Ken Burch Mar 2013 #75

Yes, during Reagan's Central America interventions, returned Peace Corps volunteers Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #82

Here... talkingmime Mar 2013 #77

Korea 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #78

I second this. Who in his right mind wishes he lived on the other side of the NK border? dimbear Mar 2013 #101

Interesting Question...and hope folks will post some answers KoKo Mar 2013 #93

OK...occasionally, our policies have done some good in the world. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #94

This original post and most of the responses are ridiculous. gordianot Mar 2013 #104

Yup, human behavior and it's thirst for power Javaman Mar 2013 #109

All wars are fought over resources or the want of them... Javaman Mar 2013 #108

Yours is one of the few posts here that is right on target. gordianot Mar 2013 #110