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In reply to the discussion: Obama Administration Says President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans on US Soil [View all]HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)7. Are we not as a nation STILL engaged in responding to 9/11? I think we are.
I find no comfort at all in support for John Yoo's contention that due process doesn't apply to presidential orders.
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green for victory
Mar 2013
OP
Are we not as a nation STILL engaged in responding to 9/11? I think we are.
HereSince1628
Mar 2013
#7
and i don't recall the us government assassinating anybody at will in any of those either.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#24
And just whom does AG Holder think should/could have been so targeted in those events?
WinkyDink
Mar 2013
#189
In your case, what's illegal is (or should be) subject to some sort of judicial review
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#196
But the renting party can go to court and show that what they were doing was not illegal
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#198
It's worth noting that this is the same team that recently redefined "imminent attack"
Marr
Mar 2013
#191
"... We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#199
The President has reserved the right to kill anyone who he just kinda suspects might do something
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#42
Manny, maybe you should read the letter instead of Rand Paul's press release
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#44
Good! And *who* determines when "well-established law enforcement authorities"
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#142
he's stating that law enforcement *IS* the better way of dealing with it.
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#144
So terror plots will only ever be disrupted by law enforcement, working with the courts?
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#164
"Not to excuse it, but in the context of a world war, it's somewhat more forgivable to me."
ProSense
Mar 2013
#20
Amazing, at first glance I thought this to be parody of people like you
whatchamacallit
Mar 2013
#14
Holder's response is entirely right on all points, and those hyperventilating
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#15
Unavoidable civilian casualties? That would have involved shooting a missile
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#162
in this context, which is the ongoing use of *preemptive* force, on the basis of secret evidence,
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#105
"lethal force" is also too broad a term, because it's *targeted assassinations* that's going on.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#114
the special circumstances that holder mentions clearly *have* happened before, as he lists 3
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#123
Actually, we did try to use preemptive targeted assasination against Bin Laden
jberryhill
Mar 2013
#131
not targeted at bin laden, but at supposed 'terrorist bases' in afghanistan and sudan.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#172
i don't recall the US preemptively killing the leaders of the whiskey rebellion either.
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#36
I don't recall this letter claiming the authority to do that. I've read it--have you?
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#39
if this letter were *not* claiming that by implication, there would be no controversy. presidents
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#61
then it seems it's holder who's being 'trolled' by paul, not me. the wonder is that he does not
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#91
Fuck it, I'm moving to a country that doesn't need to kill it's citizens to protect them.
whatchamacallit
Mar 2013
#26
Please let me know when you find a country that will let me immigrate
green for victory
Mar 2013
#46
OK, are you comfortable with this power in the hands of any Republican in the future?
MadHound
Mar 2013
#77
Courage: I'm comfortable with all President's exercising the Constitutional powers Holder cited.
ProSense
Mar 2013
#98
So you're comfy with Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, or Paul Ryan having this power? Yes or no, no dancing.
MadHound
Mar 2013
#104
I'm not in favor of a Republican president being elected in the first place
jberryhill
Mar 2013
#137
"Every American has the right to know when their government is allowed to kill them."
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#173
We get it Pro, Obama is perfect, Obama never makes mistakes, Blah, Blah, Blah. n-t
Logical
Mar 2013
#165
You are making a sad spectacle of yourself trying to defend this unconstitutional act.
MadHound
Mar 2013
#81
Killing a person without due process, simply on the secret orders of a President,
MadHound
Mar 2013
#96
Lincoln didn't get Congressional authorization. He relied on a 1792 statute.
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#178
Eric Holder's letter did not claim or assert the power to kill US citizens on US soil
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#181
It didn't take any step--it just recited what everyone already agreed upon.
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#184
No, it didn't prevent Obama from doing anything, or any future president for that matter,
MadHound
Mar 2013
#187
Do you really think if Obama was going to start murdering people on US soil
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#188
Don't worry, Octafish. From all indications, you'll never make the list. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#75
Knowing you're there to report me makes me feel so much more secure, boloboffin.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#93
Good Lord, if I had the power to put you on a list like that, I never would.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#97
I'd sleep better knowing that no one was above the law, including the president, boloboffin.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#107
As is being pointed out here, Octafish, this power is something Presidents have always had.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#116
No, the president does not have an 'inherent' power to execute American citizens at will.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#207
No. He does not. The idea that he does is the most despicable BS you've come up with yet.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#213
What a nice thing to say! And what 9/11 conspiracy theories of mine have you debunked, Bolo Boffin?
Octafish
Mar 2013
#215
Of course he can. Any president can. Look at what happened at Kent State University.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2013
#79
did the president or governor order those shootings? no. they ordered the national guard out,
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#110
Was there a "shoot" order from the president, governor, or commander of the unit -- or not?
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#122
They should say: "This authority does not apply unless the nation is experiencing an ongoing attack"
limpyhobbler
Mar 2013
#152
I agree that the authority can be better defined. And have a review process in place.
randome
Mar 2013
#159
Hell, even the Inquisition went to the trouble of holding trials before executions.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2013
#155
Ordered assassination of Americans is A-OK with loyalists from both parties
just1voice
Mar 2013
#174
No, you're misreading those posts just as you're misreading the Holder letter.
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#186