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-1000 to the OP. graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
Thanks,graham! sheshe2 Feb 2013 #3
Do you agree we need the cuts? madfloridian Feb 2013 #11
Why? Hissyspit Feb 2013 #40
What I do not agree to in this OP is sheshe2 Feb 2013 #45
That's fine, but madfloridian does not participate Hissyspit Feb 2013 #47
I truly think we should be far more concerned sheshe2 Feb 2013 #51
No, the GOP owns neither the SS cuts or the education reform. madfloridian Feb 2013 #57
You can not be serious. sheshe2 Feb 2013 #58
Very serious. If they made them their policies, they now own them. madfloridian Feb 2013 #64
Then teachers own salary and benefit concessions michigandem58 Feb 2013 #97
That analogy doesn't work. blackspade Feb 2013 #137
Think about it... madfloridian Feb 2013 #138
I'll agree with you on charter schools michigandem58 Feb 2013 #146
Then let them do it without personal propping. treestar Feb 2013 #79
That's funny, that's strange, but it is rather hateful to say. madfloridian Feb 2013 #81
OMG!!! a "Reverse Ad Hominem" !!! bvar22 Feb 2013 #92
Then let those who disagree with OP do it without substance-less first-post knee-jerk disapproval. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #95
Well it was rather treestar Feb 2013 #127
It bothered you because someone gave me a compliment? madfloridian Feb 2013 #131
Thank you treestar... sheshe2 Feb 2013 #132
Obama's plan includes chained CPI which = CUTS. It may be that this is some kind of 3-dimensional HiPointDem Feb 2013 #48
Except that's not the counterproposal in entirety, is it? Honestly, now....is it? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #122
2/3 of SS recipients rely on it for 50% or more of their income, and the top 1/3 gets taxed on HiPointDem Feb 2013 #140
Protections for the vulnerable. That's the fact. Plus, the Repubs will NEVER accept that proposal. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #156
'protections for the vulnerable' = meaningless blow job in this context HiPointDem Feb 2013 #157
You can believe what you want. Free country. But it's a meaningless proposal. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #158
and there's no harm in raising a stink when any politician makes such a proposal. to let them HiPointDem Feb 2013 #159
Sometimes it is about far more than Obama. madfloridian Feb 2013 #53
No disrespect to you at all madforidian, sheshe2 Feb 2013 #55
By waiting and seeing, deals get implemented without input or protest from the affected tpsbmam Feb 2013 #147
The naysayers have *not* been proven wrong-- the pollyanna, "trust him" gang has been Marr Feb 2013 #54
Pollyanna, no. sheshe2 Feb 2013 #56
You were proven wrong when he proposed SS cuts. Marr Feb 2013 #71
exactly stupidicus Feb 2013 #128
Exactly who are you calling a freak/purist? nt sheshe2 Feb 2013 #133
obviously stupidicus Feb 2013 #151
Sounds like the poor on Social Security won't be affected by chained CPI, anyway. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #121
Wow madfloridian Feb 2013 #5
In more ways then one. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #39
heh heh madfloridian Feb 2013 #73
At first I read it as +1000 & I thought, CrispyQ Feb 2013 #101
She's questioning authority. Bringing important facts and truths to our attention. Zorra Feb 2013 #20
I imagine his next post: are you now or have you ever been a Naderite Republican? Dragonfli Feb 2013 #26
I take it you didn't like that question. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #22
Yeah, typical. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #38
Means a lot coming from you. madfloridian Feb 2013 #43
I'll second that. FogerRox Feb 2013 #61
FogerRox! Haven't seen you around in ages. madfloridian Feb 2013 #65
Sup FogerRox Feb 2013 #67
I'm at Kos also. Since 2004 I think. madfloridian Feb 2013 #70
ask for an invite to Social Security Defenders group FogerRox Feb 2013 #74
SSD @DK, ask 4 invite to group FogerRox Feb 2013 #75
Done. madfloridian Feb 2013 #85
Couldn't agree more. nt tpsbmam Feb 2013 #148
What a stupid post. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #107
Does this mean you support Republicans putting SS cuts on the table, claiming sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #155
+ 1001 DJ13 Feb 2013 #2
And remember, the $1000 reduction over 15 years becomes the new baseline Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #4
Yep, its like compounding interest DJ13 Feb 2013 #6
Well, in their defense, there isn't a hell of a lot they can do about it. Marr Feb 2013 #9
+1. It's a recipe for immiseration and the destruction of the program. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #49
+10000 Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #91
^^^^^Excellent point! Thanks, Demo_Chris^^^^^^ nt tpsbmam Feb 2013 #149
+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #153
Nearly 10% of seniors are already below the poverty line. joshcryer Feb 2013 #7
And if he isn't actually selling it, why dress it up? Marr Feb 2013 #8
+1 woo me with science Feb 2013 #18
Here's a page of polls from google..perhaps those up for election in 2014 need to beware. madfloridian Feb 2013 #10
This President has a fetish for cutting Social Security MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #12
Choosing Simpson and Bowles sent a message to seniors, I think. madfloridian Feb 2013 #13
As Clinton's Chief of Staff, Bowles brokered a deal between Clinton and Gingrich MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #14
Yep...and just end of last week Simpson & Bowles were over the KoKo Feb 2013 #99
Hoping that they Nite Owl Feb 2013 #103
Yep. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #112
Campaign promise kept! joshcryer Feb 2013 #15
Great big ol' K&R MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #16
It is obscene of Obama to pretend it is "balanced" to hurt seniors who forestpath Feb 2013 #17
Very sad state 840high Feb 2013 #21
+100000 It's unconscionable. woo me with science Feb 2013 #24
Unconscionable and incomprehensible. hay rick Feb 2013 #28
K&R and a +1000 to counteract the first reply :-D (n/t) a2liberal Feb 2013 #19
Thanks. madfloridian Feb 2013 #23
SS should be strengthened JEB Feb 2013 #25
Job creation and raising the min wage means more FICA FogerRox Feb 2013 #66
Must protect poor little, vulnerable banksters, as always. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #27
Actually, that REALLY IS one of the rationalizations used here, for reallzies: Dragonfli Feb 2013 #30
From that source, I'm not the least surprised. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #104
Huge, huge K&R, woo me with science Feb 2013 #29
Thank you for that. madfloridian Feb 2013 #41
You're so right. woo me with science Feb 2013 #134
It's eleventeen dimensional chess donchaknow. progressoid Feb 2013 #31
K & R AzDar Feb 2013 #32
First Democratic president to cut Social Security? Not quite. JayhawkSD Feb 2013 #33
Yes, and the impact ProSense Feb 2013 #42
That was then. This is now. I have criticized Clinton for things like that. madfloridian Feb 2013 #46
Are we getting disillusioned yet? nt fadedrose Feb 2013 #34
POTUS Obama has usually put neoliberal ideas on the table. PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #35
Why would President Obama want to "protections for the vulnerable?" ProSense Feb 2013 #36
Because "superlative CPI" is a BENEFIT CUT. nt hay rick Feb 2013 #37
If this is the benefits cuts Republicans want, why aren't they jumping on it? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #44
cause they're playing 3-dimensional chess too.... HiPointDem Feb 2013 #50
Now that I think about it, you're right, Obama put it on the table, Dragonfli Feb 2013 #52
Obama is an individual Babel_17 Feb 2013 #123
I'm very much afraid that if Dems are linked to SS cuts... Jasana Feb 2013 #59
No. LWolf Feb 2013 #60
No, you are not being paranoid. madfloridian Feb 2013 #62
Not at all. It would make 2014 a potential Waterloo. FogerRox Feb 2013 #63
And we will be told to vote for the lesser of two evils again, CrispyQ Feb 2013 #113
Fuck with OUR Social Security and reap the whirlwind, Democrats. 99Forever Feb 2013 #68
New poll out from The Hill. 62% of Republicans oppose cuts. 82% of Democrats. madfloridian Feb 2013 #69
Count me in the 82% Progressive dog Feb 2013 #98
If it includes "protections for the vulnerable" Autumn Feb 2013 #72
Sigh. Yes, the chained CPI would reduce the budget deficit Recursion Feb 2013 #76
Not paying ones bills does "appear" to leave more money in the bank, Dragonfli Feb 2013 #86
Well, yes, defaulting on all foreign-held bonds would decrease the deficit also Recursion Feb 2013 #87
Honestly? because theft is not an option, it isn't really true it's accounting fraud Dragonfli Feb 2013 #88
We "owe" SS retirees precisely what we legally obligate ourselves to pay them Recursion Feb 2013 #89
keep telling yourself that, I am sure someday you will believe it Dragonfli Feb 2013 #90
What do you mean, "And that has changed over time?" John2 Feb 2013 #115
The same reason lipstick is applied to pigs. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #77
Finally an answer to the question! woo me with science Feb 2013 #82
Just about the truth. madfloridian Feb 2013 #84
The question is not whether it is a "cut" treestar Feb 2013 #78
Here are a bunch of links from a google search of "social security cuts 2013" madfloridian Feb 2013 #83
They won't. MessiahRp Feb 2013 #106
Then I'd prefer honesty Babel_17 Feb 2013 #116
K & R historylovr Feb 2013 #80
Vague and Arbitrary "Protections for The Vulnerable"? bvar22 Feb 2013 #93
That's the big question at the heart of that statement isn't it? Pretty damn sad. K&R nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #94
From Dean Baker at Truth Out. madfloridian Feb 2013 #96
A Definite Read...thanks for putting this in the thread... KoKo Feb 2013 #100
That Biden quote Babel_17 Feb 2013 #124
K&R for this POST. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #141
Where is everyone? Nite Owl Feb 2013 #102
Kick and Rec. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #105
We have to face it. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #108
We were only offered corporatists. woo me with science Feb 2013 #142
Even the very best Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #154
Wall Street wants that money... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #109
George Carlin was right. dgibby Feb 2013 #152
kickety theaocp Feb 2013 #110
K&R (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2013 #111
K&R CrispyQ Feb 2013 #114
I seldom watch any political stuff on TV anymore. madfloridian Feb 2013 #125
Where's the AARP on this? Or have they lost all relevance? Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #117
Actually the AARP has been strongly against chained cpi. Link madfloridian Feb 2013 #143
Thanks! Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #144
I stand with Senator Sanders (nt) Babel_17 Feb 2013 #118
This is not what I voted for newfie11 Feb 2013 #119
"the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #120
the threat it represents to his legacy stupidicus Feb 2013 #126
A chained CPI would be an institutionalized lie. dawg Feb 2013 #129
For those who don't understand, this is how you flush away overwhelming advantage Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #130
+1 forestpath Feb 2013 #136
What utter BS ProSense Feb 2013 #145
Strange....Ya know? blackspade Feb 2013 #135
Food Stamps, Welfare, School lunches.... WCGreen Feb 2013 #139
Excellent question & post, madfloridian tpsbmam Feb 2013 #150
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