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19. The VTOL version is a big part of the programs troubles

Reply to The Second Stone (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:30 PM

Feb 2013

Drop the VTOL and simplify the other versions.

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So, what should replace the F-35? [View all] bobclark86 Feb 2013 OP

How about the F15 for interception and the F16 for air-to-air? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #1

The Navy carrier fleet could get by with F-18s for a few more decades...eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #3

My mom was at NAS Pensacola in '74... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #13

We have C-130's going overhead on a regular basis. They still work just fine. Gorp Feb 2013 #42

Probably woudn't fare well against Chinese and Russian stealth jets. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #77

We won't be having dogfights with the Chinese or Russians DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #78

Conservatives claim that leaving the money with the public creates more growth and jobs Kolesar Feb 2013 #2

Ooh! bobclark86 Feb 2013 #15

We lacked translators, not armaments, to stop the 9/11 terror attack Kolesar Feb 2013 #32

Drones are replacing manned aircraft pretty rapidly FarCenter Feb 2013 #4

Nothing. The JSF is not the problem, it is a symptom. Few people can really grasp just how Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #5

Try again, the Russians are kicking our asses sir pball Feb 2013 #11

I'd agree accept that the F-22 and F-35 are both over-priced pieces of shit. Gorp Feb 2013 #44

From the get-go maybe sir pball Feb 2013 #64

Buying overpriced hardware built by incompetent numbnuts won't help fix that problem. bemildred Feb 2013 #51

If you can get out of the absurd mindset that has been fostered, you would also consider Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #52

I never said anything about Russian aggression. sir pball Feb 2013 #65

I get the corporate welfare bit... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #16

That's where changing our minds comes in. We are stuck in a cycle of Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #53

The next gen of air superiority and ground attack will be remotely piloted vehicles. leveymg Feb 2013 #6

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #7

The F-35 is obsolete, inferior, unsurvivable junk. Stop throwing money at it. leveymg Feb 2013 #9

Publicly funded, universal health care. n/t ronnie624 Feb 2013 #8

The F-35 is likely to be America's last manned fighter. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #10

Yes and no sir pball Feb 2013 #38

Actually, human lag time is worse. Pilots take longer than automonous drones in decision-making Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #56

No drone can remotely handle the Su-30 and Mig-29 derivatives FogerRox Feb 2013 #39

How would the Su-30 and Mig-29 do against the Patriot missile -- which is an autonomous drone? FarCenter Feb 2013 #61

The patriot is not a drone. A drone is a weapons platform, not a weapon. A patriot is a weapon. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #74

A drone is any unmanned vehicle under its own guidance and optionally remote guidance FarCenter Feb 2013 #76

A drone could have advantages. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #79

I disagree. Even with the rapid communication links we have now, a pilot is quicker. Gorp Feb 2013 #46

The drones will rapidly become autonomous -- there is no need for a pilot on the ground FarCenter Feb 2013 #55

That's true, but autonomous drones have no sense of ethics. Gorp Feb 2013 #57

It'd have whatever ethical precepts are programmed into it. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #80

That's the point. A pilot knows when firing is ethically wrong. Gorp Feb 2013 #81

I dont know how rapidly we will be able to build the following AI into a drone... stevenleser Feb 2013 #58

The problems are soluble or irrelevant FarCenter Feb 2013 #60

You gloss right over the complexities...starting with IFF. stevenleser Feb 2013 #66

To intercept airliners and general aviation aircraft doesn't require an F-35 FarCenter Feb 2013 #69

And that is easier said than done in terms of identifying what is an enemy target at that range. stevenleser Feb 2013 #71

Yeeeah, you're oversimplifying the hell out of things Posteritatis Feb 2013 #72

That's a good point. Even in chess there are a limited amount of possible moves. stevenleser Feb 2013 #73

And that's before the subjectives like rules of engagement and other shades of gray Posteritatis Feb 2013 #75

SkyNet is self-aware jpak Feb 2013 #68

Yeah, that is another reason not to implement artificially intelligent killing machines... stevenleser Feb 2013 #70

If we have to keep it within the defense/MIC spending, kentauros Feb 2013 #12

Doesn't have to stay Pentagon... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #14

Okay, and I like your idea of a "CIC" kentauros Feb 2013 #17

Your solar-antenna would work at night in my quite-cloudy town Kolesar Feb 2013 #21

One thing that I sincerely hope would be done, kentauros Feb 2013 #23

Reforestation would sequester the CO2 as would algae growth from dumping iron powder into the sea Kolesar Feb 2013 #25

I have read about the use of iron powder, and am still iffy on doing that. kentauros Feb 2013 #28

Except for the VTOL version the rest should be dropped The Second Stone Feb 2013 #18

The VTOL version is a big part of the programs troubles FarCenter Feb 2013 #19

then just drop them all The Second Stone Feb 2013 #22

Yes, it is probably too late and too costly to salvage the Air Force and Navy versions FarCenter Feb 2013 #24

Simple. 99Forever Feb 2013 #20

Peace, and paintable weatherproofing caulk! Kolesar Feb 2013 #26

I'm not exactly sure how to take your response. 99Forever Feb 2013 #31

F-22 midwest irish Feb 2013 #27

We're *still building* LCACs, and you expect the F-35 to be scrapped? Recursion Feb 2013 #29

Simple solution: fuck war. Earth_First Feb 2013 #30

Not another Jet n2doc Feb 2013 #33

Well said, but with one minor correction. For the cost of the F-35, it would be WAY more than 140K. Gorp Feb 2013 #47

As an act of patriotism I'll offer my '93 Toyota pickup and put on fresh duct tape. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #34

Butter. n/t Orsino Feb 2013 #35

here's a diagram bigtree Feb 2013 #36

The G-36 of course. nt guardian Feb 2013 #37

schools and teachers rurallib Feb 2013 #40

More F-15s. They're proven, highly effective, reliable, and relatively inexpensive. Gorp Feb 2013 #41

The Viper MK II of course Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #43

"Use the Force, Luke." Gorp Feb 2013 #48

A School Lunch Program eom Taverner Feb 2013 #45

The YF-23 should have been built and then modified to meet the joint criteria. Tikki Feb 2013 #49

Nothing. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #50

not surprising... janlyn Feb 2013 #54

They should conduct a War Game between the F-35 and the Patriot missile FarCenter Feb 2013 #59

I don't see why we don't start the space program again instead of letting private enterprises do it? Cleita Feb 2013 #62

Republicans. We should threaten to offload them onto other countries. winter is coming Feb 2013 #63

I'll make the Pentagon an offer they can't refuse ... lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #67