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Ikonoklast

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97. The megafauna of the North American continent included mammoths, giant ground sloths, mastodons...
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:51 PM
Feb 2013

Lots of animals much bigger than bison.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/end-big-beasts.html

Interesting hypotheses as to what may have happened.

K/R. Also, there was not such thing as "property", as we know it. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #1
There most certainly WAS property as we know it. It was owned, allocated and protected by the tribe. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #27
That's actually not true. Matariki Feb 2013 #51
And gold was considered to be useless... Veri1138 Feb 2013 #81
So who's really the more "civilized" race? Brigid Feb 2013 #2
You see malaise Feb 2013 #6
didn't the league of Iriquois predate the white man coming to America? dsc Feb 2013 #3
I think it did. white_wolf Feb 2013 #5
Old and wise men were their politicians Warpy Feb 2013 #8
They also had the wisdom to give representation to the 7th generation regarding all decisions Dragonfli Feb 2013 #24
you speak truth. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #57
kind of like every other pre-industrial culture. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #67
Yes, it remains the second oldest representative parliament in the World mikekohr Feb 2013 #110
Part true, for some groups of NA, lots of bullshit too. NA had slavery Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #4
" there was not a thief, nor a vicious man, nor an adulteress, nor was a bad woman ..." Coyotl Feb 2013 #7
We Indians are Latin America's moral reserve. We act according to a universal law that consists of mikekohr Feb 2013 #116
Right on! Coyotl Feb 2013 #120
Talking to Owls and Butterflies Octafish Feb 2013 #9
Reminds me of "Black Elk Speaks." Beartracks Feb 2013 #19
True but they would have, eventually treestar Feb 2013 #10
not much advantage in being a thief when you depend on your tribe for everything, so you're HiPointDem Feb 2013 #68
So no other tribes were ever involved in one's life? Bandit Feb 2013 #98
what is your problem? i'm obviously talking about within one's own tribe. and. fyi. there are HiPointDem Feb 2013 #105
I got to visit Uluru treestar Feb 2013 #104
That part is total BS dbackjon Feb 2013 #99
Whatever did they do without Walmart? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #11
Of all the people thoughtout history the American Indian is my favorite madokie Feb 2013 #12
They lived their lives in tune with mother nature. AlbertCat Feb 2013 #15
Yes they had wars and conflict just like all humans do zeemike Feb 2013 #32
Counting coup was limited to a few Plains nations, and developed long after contact with whites Recursion Feb 2013 #34
"developed long after contact with whites" zeemike Feb 2013 #36
This book is a good start Recursion Feb 2013 #39
I am sure that is a good book zeemike Feb 2013 #52
Thank you! cabot Feb 2013 #40
Another tidbit that is often neglected to be mentioned is... Javaman Feb 2013 #85
Columbus noted in his journals that young girls of the ages 9 to 10 were the most desired by his men mikekohr Feb 2013 #111
They hunted every mammal larger than the bison to extinction Recursion Feb 2013 #35
Including horses... Peter cotton Feb 2013 #43
LOL! Killed off the dinosaurs too, I reckon. Maybe even caused the ice age with all those campfirea! Zorra Feb 2013 #62
No, the dinosaurs were 65 million years before humans Recursion Feb 2013 #64
I don't think you know what you're talking about madokie Feb 2013 #83
Really? Recursion Feb 2013 #84
Really madokie Feb 2013 #88
It is easier to justify the disposession and near extirmination of a People when you marginalize mikekohr Feb 2013 #103
Or perhaps massive climate change was the culprit, but let's blame the Indians anyway mikekohr Feb 2013 #86
The earliest evidence found is 18kya. Where are you getting 28k-38k? Recursion Feb 2013 #87
Monte Verde site in Chile may date to 33,000 BP mikekohr Feb 2013 #101
I love how you assume I haven't read Mann Recursion Feb 2013 #102
You asked for a source and now you turn the posting of the source mikekohr Feb 2013 #106
What animal, at that time, was bigger than a bison and savannah43 Feb 2013 #94
Bison are clearly not bigger than the bison Recursion Feb 2013 #96
Bison are far larger than Caribou, even Sarah Palin knows this mikekohr Feb 2013 #107
The megafauna of the North American continent included mammoths, giant ground sloths, mastodons... Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #97
Before the white man came, there were no horses. hobbit709 Feb 2013 #13
Well, that certainly makes the demise of the NA Indian all worthwhile, doesn't it? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #14
Just pointing out that horse were an invasive species, just like many others that came with them hobbit709 Feb 2013 #16
horse were an invasive species, AlbertCat Feb 2013 #18
Humans on the earth are like bacteria on the surface of an orange.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #20
par·a·site iamthebandfanman Feb 2013 #23
"The earth is an organism, and that organism has a skin; that skin has diseases... alterfurz Feb 2013 #89
Before the white man came, there were no horses. AlbertCat Feb 2013 #17
To put it that way, no. But there is a great deal of respect for their close relationship with gtar100 Feb 2013 #63
So don't lay out falsely narrow choices. AlbertCat Feb 2013 #115
Haha Like all Americans today are the same. gtar100 Feb 2013 #117
There were horses in NA until around the time that the natives crossed over from Siberia. cemaphonic Feb 2013 #74
Over-romanticized twaddle. Peter cotton Feb 2013 #21
Would One Want To Elaborate On The Profundity Of "Over-romanticized twaddle"? cantbeserious Feb 2013 #22
Over-romanticized twaddle lacks profundity by definition. Peter cotton Feb 2013 #41
A Recursive Definition - Not Very Illuminating cantbeserious Feb 2013 #59
On the contrary. Peter cotton Feb 2013 #78
We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Feb 2013 #80
Welcome to DU. I look forward to more of your posts. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #118
Thanks! Peter cotton Feb 2013 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Feb 2013 #79
Couching some essential truths... Orsino Feb 2013 #93
Weren't there 500 nations? Did all of them have the same laws and way of life? Did all of them get lunamagica Feb 2013 #25
IIRC, most if not all Native American tribes were essentially matriarchal. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #30
There were a few, but most were patriarchal and practiced a warrior cult Recursion Feb 2013 #33
PILGRIMS, PURITANS, CHRISTIANS, COLONISTS: mikekohr Feb 2013 #108
no such generalization can be made. there's a wide variation in time and space. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #71
Before individual property rights, property belonged to tribes. You'd no choice but adhere to tribal KittyWampus Feb 2013 #26
"Don't romantize tribal life." - Seems to work pretty well for the wealthy. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2013 #28
Did they have plumbing, sewerage and heating systems? Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #29
Yes, see Central Mexico circa 1400, as to the theft of Manhattan mikekohr Feb 2013 #109
The First Nations practiced genocidal warfare, slavery, and hunted species to extinction Recursion Feb 2013 #31
Shh, the noble savage, in perfect harmony with nature and each other shall not be questioned. X_Digger Feb 2013 #47
I like the drift of this Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #37
Ah, I read your post after writing my own Matariki Feb 2013 #50
Great Post. nt mikekohr Feb 2013 #114
Well I dated this beautiful Seminole, DeadEyeDyck Feb 2013 #38
A reminder moondust Feb 2013 #42
The Matrix? Peter cotton Feb 2013 #44
LOL moondust Feb 2013 #54
Thank you for this. ananda Feb 2013 #45
How to Write the Great American Indian Novel CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #46
Very nice. Matariki Feb 2013 #49
That's a very romanticized view. Matariki Feb 2013 #48
I don't romanticize Native Americans ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #53
most tribal societies are socialistic. it's kind of a feature. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #72
What I see in this thread City of Mills Feb 2013 #55
Lame Deer wasn't around at the time either Recursion Feb 2013 #56
I think it's ironic that you say so, considering that Lame Deer spent most of his life living HiPointDem Feb 2013 #70
Where, pray, would I find indian history but in books - written by "red", "white", "historian" and Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #76
I'm confused Matariki Feb 2013 #77
well, I'm getting an education from this thread. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #58
A lot of imperialist nostalgia here. Nolimit Feb 2013 #60
so true. white people just love indians -- now. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #73
They recieved their spiritual enlightenment from Aliens and Bigfoots Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #61
Desmond Tutu: "When the white man came, they had the Bible, and we had the land. And they said, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #65
not original to tutu. e.g. here's a book from 1976: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #75
thanx! struggle4progress Feb 2013 #100
Tecumseh on the white man's religion: alterfurz Feb 2013 #91
Tecumseh's Creed mikekohr Feb 2013 #113
absence of locks, private property, prisons, etc isn't specific to native americans; it's the usual HiPointDem Feb 2013 #66
I was once informed by an african immigrant quakerboy Feb 2013 #69
Ronald Reagan on Native Americans mikekohr Feb 2013 #82
Unless you belonged to another tribe. Brickbat Feb 2013 #90
The quote is romantic - a longing for a heritage that was torn, instead of let to evolve. toby jo Feb 2013 #92
thank you niyad Feb 2013 #95
This was posted By Randy Isbister, my Native friend from Saskatchewan, on my Facebook Page mikekohr Feb 2013 #112
This is the kind of sentimental tripe that appeals to people who didn't pay attention in their msanthrope Feb 2013 #119
You should read "Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions." from which the lead post was taken mikekohr Feb 2013 #122
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