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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
22. You are correct
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:04 PM
Feb 2013

but I think you are confused about the Panchen Lama. That is the one that China has decided to take captive and install their own version.

Nobody has chosen the next Dalai Lama yet. Traditionally the Pachen Lama would do that. Not that it is really a choice, each Lama recognizes the reincarnation of the other (to horribly oversimplify things).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama


^snip^


The Panchen Lama is the highest ranking Lama after the Dalai Lama in the Gelugpa (Dge-lugs-pa) lineage of Tibetan Buddhism (this lineage controlled western Tibet from the 16th century until the 1959 Tibetan Rebellion). The present (11th) incarnation of the Panchen Lama is a matter of controversy: the People's Republic of China asserts it is Gyancain Norbu, while the 14th Dalai Lama asserted it was Gedhun Choekyi Nyima on May 14, 1995. The latter vanished from public eye shortly after being named, aged six. Chinese authorities stated that Gedhun had been taken into protective custody from those that would spirit him into exile and is now held in captivity against the wishes of the Tibetan people.[1] Tibetans and human rights groups continue to campaign for his release.[2]





The successive Panchen Lamas form a tulku reincarnation lineage which are said to be the incarnations of Amitabha Buddha. The title, meaning "Great Scholar", is a Tibetan contraction of the Sanskrit paṇḍita (scholar) and the Tibetan chenpo (great). The Panchen Lama traditionally lived in Tashilhunpo Monastery (Teshu-lumbo) in Shigatse. From the name of this monastery, the Europeans referred to the Panchen Lama as the Tashi-Lama (or spelled Tesho-Lama or Teshu-Lama).[3][4] [5]

The recognition of Panchen Lamas has always been a matter involving the Dalai Lama.[6][7] The 10th Panchen Lama himself declared, as cited by an official Chinese review that "according to Tibetan tradition, the confirmation of either the Dalai or Panchen must be mutually recognized."[8] The involvement of China in this affair is seen by some as a political ploy to try to gain control over the recognition of the next Dalai Lama (see below), and to strengthen their hold over the future of Tibet and its governance. China claims however, that their involvement does not break with tradition in that the final decision about the recognition of both the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama traditionally rested in the hands of the Chinese emperor. For instance, after 1792, the Golden Urn was thought to have been used in selecting the 10th, 11th and 12th Dalai Lamas;[9] but 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso has more recently explained that this was only really used in selection of the 11th.[10] A controversy existed between the Tibetan government and supporters of Chökyi Gyaltsen during the recognition of the 10th Panchen Lama.

Ma Bufang patronized the 10th Panchen Lama, and the Lamaist Red Sect against the Dalai Lama. Qinghai served as a "sanctuary" for Red Sect members, Ma Bufang allowed Kumbum Monastery to be totally self-governed by the Panchen Lama.[11] The 10th Panchen Lama, who was exiled from Tibet by the Dalai Lama's government, wanted to seek revenge by leading an army against Tibet in September 1949. He asked for help from Ma Bufang.[12] Ma cooperated with the Panchen Lama against the Dalai Lama's regime in Tibet. The Panchen Lama stayed in Qinghai. Ma tried to persuade the Panchen Lama to come with the Kuomintang government to Taiwan when the Communist victory approached, but the Panchen Lama decided to defect to the Communists instead. The Panchen Lama, unlike the Dalai Lama, sought to exert control in decision making.[13][14]

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz zz ...... z .......... . . tabasco Feb 2013 #1
Logic fail. nt Confusious Feb 2013 #2
What, you mean the Dalai Lama ISN'T trying to murder girls who dare to try to attend school? 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #12
American hubris. This is news to you? geckosfeet Feb 2013 #3
Speaking of the Dalai Lama, whatever happened to Mullah Omar? PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #4
He is most likely in negotiations with Karzai and the Americans right now. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #16
My post was absurd like the OP PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #19
Major bad logic here graham4anything Feb 2013 #5
"The people now being targeted...were CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS WHO DID HORRIBLE THINGS to Americans. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #18
Link? G_j Feb 2013 #24
So is the Dali Lami organizing terrorist attacks to kill Chinese, and Chinese interests? still_one Feb 2013 #6
well, some did. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #33
this is really clumsy and heavy handed. cali Feb 2013 #7
It would seem that the Cubans would be fully justified Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #8
Yeah, okay. And what if they simply put a bullet in his brain? randome Feb 2013 #9
A completely insane comparison. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #10
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #11
+ 1000 eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #15
The US State Department recognizes 195 countries in the world G_j Feb 2013 #35
On that issue treestar Feb 2013 #39
Inapt Comparison Yavin4 Feb 2013 #13
Because the Dalai Lama is just like Anwar al-Awlaki, right? MineralMan Feb 2013 #14
They could say he's a terrorist supporting suicide immolation. LittleBlue Feb 2013 #17
people seem to have forgotten how many Tibetans have been murdered G_j Feb 2013 #26
Two things: He'll achieve total consciousness and there will be a battle over the next Dalai Lama. Gorp Feb 2013 #20
You are correct Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #22
I stand corrected on the Lama succession, but it's still going to cause a shitstorm. Gorp Feb 2013 #23
Would it cut down on all those Buddhist suicide bombers? Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #21
OH SHIT... one_voice Feb 2013 #25
Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #31
I think your point is that any state could claim an entity to be G_j Feb 2013 #27
Drones will become a huge issue for D's green for victory Feb 2013 #28
And it'll be quite OK with the Rs treestar Feb 2013 #37
+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Feb 2013 #30
ok bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #32
Come back when the Dalai Lama starts getting his followers to kill innocent people. baldguy Feb 2013 #34
What if they killed him with a gun? treestar Feb 2013 #36
The comparison simply is not valid. n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #38
LaMonte Young and I agree that the Dali Lama is more likely to use a drone Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #40
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