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Blanks

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21. I live on a cooperative now.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:02 PM
Feb 2013

I never suggested living off the grid (or even the cooperative being off the grid).

What I'm talking about is being able to invest retirement funds into an alternative energy source.

Why can't our retirement funds (IRA, 401K, state pensions etc.) be invested in something local; something that has a guaranteed income over time (as long as electric energy is being consumed) can be monitored by the investors and creates local jobs. Something that the local utility has to compensate us for if we produce more than we use.

This model that we have where we send our money off to some genius; where they invest money in the kind of silly bullshit that we see on Trump's stupid celebrity show; that model seems to get retirements cleaned out every 10 years or so.

No, I want to be able to have my money go toward something that I know people are going to be buying, and that 'product' is going to be more expensive over time, and once that equipment is put into place; it doesn't require many inputs (cleaned off occasionally).

That's what I'm talking about. If I want to go count how many solar panels (or windmills) that I am part owner of; I just ride my bike out to where they are, and start counting.

Granted that isn't exactly the same as a cooperative, but it's crazy to accept that we 'need' energy and we are completely dependent upon someone else to provide it.

That's why I think it's better for individuals to own the PV panels. Really, it's about controlling a basic need.

Wouldn't it be great if America did this? [View all] Playinghardball Feb 2013 OP
Own Germany? No thanks. I wouldn't understand a word they say. Hulk Smash Feb 2013 #1
Message auto-removed year of the cat Feb 2013 #4
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #2
yes it would... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #3
It would be great, but we helped set up a progressive German society after WWII but forgot to pampango Feb 2013 #5
Yes it would be great felix_numinous Feb 2013 #6
That's not what it is - unless your definition of the Commons is private property. freshwest Feb 2013 #7
Oh I was not clear felix_numinous Feb 2013 #8
Neither the Republics nor Democrats in Congress would ever allow this..... Swede Atlanta Feb 2013 #9
What's so great about it? badtoworse Feb 2013 #10
You're kidding right? Blanks Feb 2013 #11
No, I'm not kidding badtoworse Feb 2013 #15
It seems to me that it is better for individuals to own it because... Blanks Feb 2013 #18
Electric cooperatives have existed for decades badtoworse Feb 2013 #20
I live on a cooperative now. Blanks Feb 2013 #21
You should be careful about investing your retirement funds in solar energy projects badtoworse Feb 2013 #25
I'd invest in buggy whips... Blanks Feb 2013 #27
I don't give damn what you invest in... badtoworse Feb 2013 #28
This is a thread about solar panels. Blanks Feb 2013 #29
You're welcome and good luck badtoworse Feb 2013 #30
Wow! We will go back to bartering unless things here change.The 1 % can keep their money & put it judesedit Feb 2013 #12
Legislators are getting big money The Wizard Feb 2013 #13
That's total bullshit badtoworse Feb 2013 #16
Here in the SW US certain energy company's already have big solar installations xtraxritical Feb 2013 #14
Tax credits don't change the cost of solar energy badtoworse Feb 2013 #17
That is changing the cost. Blanks Feb 2013 #24
I have what may seem like a dumb question... a la izquierda Feb 2013 #19
There are programs to refinance... Blanks Feb 2013 #22
this country needs a 'uniquely american solution', kinda like the ACA. KG Feb 2013 #23
In America everything must lead to corporate profit liberal N proud Feb 2013 #26
Jimmy Carter tried it Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #31
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