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44. Don't agree about the suicide, but do agree about selling the pills

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:36 PM

Feb 2013

Traditionally the mourning period was one year - that seems a lot more reasonable to me. People are supposed to be over it in two weeks? No way. There's every first holiday, birthday, without them, etc.

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Psychiatrists to brand grief lasting longer than two weeks a mental illness [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP

That way they can charge you the big bucks to put you on those happy pills, MadHound Feb 2013 #1

That is not how the pills work pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #7

I beg to differ nebenaube Feb 2013 #34

That's a fact, not an opinion elias7 Feb 2013 #129

But grief after the death of someone close is rarely a "short duration event." pnwmom Feb 2013 #64

Two years ago, my sister and I were talking about the death of my brother who died in 1974.... SwissTony Feb 2013 #125

Yes. My mother, many decades later, can still feel that way about a baby she lost. pnwmom Feb 2013 #126

I'm glad you think you know how these pills "work...." Th1onein Feb 2013 #95

I am sorry for your loss. davidthegnome Feb 2013 #97

Thank you, davidthegnome. I hope you know that I am not saying that some people Th1onein Feb 2013 #113

Don't agree about the suicide, but do agree about selling the pills treestar Feb 2013 #44

I agree. The "traditional mourning period" reflects reality. pnwmom Feb 2013 #65

Exactly, grief is not depression and needs no medication treestar Feb 2013 #90

Grief can indeed trigger a major depression . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #103

Yes, it can. davidthegnome Feb 2013 #110

Yes there is a difference treestar Feb 2013 #145

Yes it can. I think what people were objecting to was the idea that grief lasting more pnwmom Feb 2013 #121

No--you AREN'T supposed to be over it. That's what this designation says--some people cannot msanthrope Feb 2013 #139

It's all about the shareholder value... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #52

I think that's a facile way of regarding this--family leave, therapy, therapeutic assistance, msanthrope Feb 2013 #138

and that means... green for victory Feb 2013 #2

Children, adolescents and young adults TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #50

This is not helpful, many people take anti-depressants safely adigal Feb 2013 #98

agreed about the overall safety of antidepressants nt steve2470 Feb 2013 #131

That should be "Two weeks or as soon as a TV reporter sticks a mic in your face." WinkyDink Feb 2013 #3

Two points: Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #4

This Flying Dream Blues Feb 2013 #11

+1 pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #18

I entirely agree. sibelian Feb 2013 #20

You said it siligut Feb 2013 #115

I agree steve2470 Feb 2013 #118

+1 sibelian Feb 2013 #135

Point #2 is the Winnah!!!! You don't get medical leave, therapy, disability, without a diagnosis or msanthrope Feb 2013 #142

Oh, come on. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #5

2 weeks? Samjm Feb 2013 #6

A year is what I had learned it takes just to get over the shock R B Garr Feb 2013 #21

This is what I learned! OldEurope Feb 2013 #41

There is no set time period... markpkessinger Feb 2013 #109

My question is: Where did they pull this length of time from, besides their arses? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #75

Well, if they picked "one week" or "five business days" elehhhhna Feb 2013 #111

Big pharma has drugs to sell malaise Feb 2013 #8

+1000 n/t OhioChick Feb 2013 #27

Well, there it is. sibelian Feb 2013 #9

They would lock me in an institution, then. VenusRising Feb 2013 #10

I totally understand. Flying Dream Blues Feb 2013 #14

I'm sorry about your son. VenusRising Feb 2013 #17

It does take time... pipi_k Feb 2013 #93

So very sorry for your loses... vankuria Feb 2013 #134

Been 8 years since we lost mom The Straight Story Feb 2013 #15

I've had those dreams where it felt like he was right in front of me. VenusRising Feb 2013 #19

... CrispyQ Feb 2013 #119

I don't know the absolute of when is too much time to grieve. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #12

Shallowness: the new normal undeterred Feb 2013 #13

When did sadness itself become an ILLNESS? sibelian Feb 2013 #16

Since we became a Brave New World. Sometime after 1984, coincidentally... reformist2 Feb 2013 #25

It's so HIDEOUS. sibelian Feb 2013 #29

I find BNW much more disturbing than 1984, because people do it to themselves. reformist2 Feb 2013 #35

I agree wholeheartedly. sibelian Feb 2013 #46

about the same time schools banned dodge ball snooper2 Feb 2013 #120

:) sibelian Feb 2013 #128

Grief is a social process undeterred Feb 2013 #22

Have to agree with you The Straight Story Feb 2013 #31

Grief is work. undeterred Feb 2013 #37

They must be right wingers. Only right wingers have no feelings and Cleita Feb 2013 #23

Or psychopaths Demeter Feb 2013 #79

Sounds like it's designed to match a typical employee's vacation time. Hmm... reformist2 Feb 2013 #24

It's been almost Nite Owl Feb 2013 #26

Just to be a devil's advocate here for a moment... cbayer Feb 2013 #28

What's "normal grieving", cbayer? sibelian Feb 2013 #32

Normal grieving is variable, but shares many "symptoms" with major depression. cbayer Feb 2013 #48

Why have you put inverted commas around symptoms? sibelian Feb 2013 #54

Because symptoms are associated with illness, but these same things may cbayer Feb 2013 #59

So - a safety net for people *actually* suffering from major depressive disorder...? sibelian Feb 2013 #123

Perhaps you misread. This doesn't set an arbitrary time limit for grief at all. cbayer Feb 2013 #136

Well, I guess I've been mentally ill three times in my lifetime following the passing of.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #30

I want rid of the term "grieving process". sibelian Feb 2013 #33

The language is designed to make us think of ourselves as little automatons. reformist2 Feb 2013 #38

oh great, so when do the new 'private for profit' mental hospitals start grabbing federal money? Sunlei Feb 2013 #36

I must have been mentally ill for years after my son died. You don't get over something appleannie1 Feb 2013 #39

I am sure the familes of Sandy Hook, HockeyMom Feb 2013 #40

I agree fully and losing a child changes a person. I think if anyone is mentally ill appleannie1 Feb 2013 #87

I think about that poor woman on Staten Island, whose two babies adigal Feb 2013 #99

My best friend died in 2004 LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #104

That gives new meaning to the phrase, "Physician heal thyself." Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #42

I HATE this about our culture - this is absolutely souless Matariki Feb 2013 #43

What could po$$ibly have brought thi$ $illine$$ on? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #45

hilariou$ green for victory Feb 2013 #56

ye$$$$$$$$$$$$$ my preciou$$$$$$$$$$ HiPointDem Feb 2013 #82

Amazing... Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #47

That is NIGHTMARISH. sibelian Feb 2013 #53

AND CONSULTS A GP TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #49

No, they just read the headline Union Scribe Feb 2013 #66

Slightly disengenuous as the ARTICLE ITSELF contains the "woo woo" observation sibelian Feb 2013 #67

No, disingenuous is using a move to give doctors Union Scribe Feb 2013 #70

What on earth are you talking about sibelian Feb 2013 #71

Do try to keep up Union Scribe Feb 2013 #72

No, please explain yourself. sibelian Feb 2013 #73

What is so difficult for you to grasp? Union Scribe Feb 2013 #76

You might have to chip it down to monosyllables. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #81

You might have to read the article... sibelian Feb 2013 #86

Thank you. sibelian Feb 2013 #85

You are assuming... davidthegnome Feb 2013 #114

I consulted my GP when I was grieving LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #105

Good "grief," pardon the pun. Some things are just part of living, not something to be "cured." MADem Feb 2013 #51

Wow. Really? Apophis Feb 2013 #55

My guess is that private insurance companies require a diagnosis gollygee Feb 2013 #57

For some , grief NEVER ends.. SoCalDem Feb 2013 #58

EXACTLY. nt Raine Feb 2013 #89

Mental "illness" AceWheeler Feb 2013 #60

I guess I am mentally ill Tree-Hugger Feb 2013 #61

What if it last eleven years? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #62

This is ridiculously simplistic. winter is coming Feb 2013 #63

No need to hyper react to this..... murray hill farm Feb 2013 #68

Yep, on top of the various non-pharmaceutical forms of assistance as well Posteritatis Feb 2013 #77

Quite right. Union Scribe Feb 2013 #78

Yeah, that attitude's kept several of my friends from being treated for things Posteritatis Feb 2013 #80

Yep, a stigma that lives on Union Scribe Feb 2013 #83

Precisely--perhaps a 'grief-based' diagnosis will allow some people who don't want to be labeled msanthrope Feb 2013 #137

that's my idea in this post steve2470 Feb 2013 #144

That way they get to prescribe medication longer, or start earlier? nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #69

I wonder if there'd be a benefit to thinking of that as an 'injury' rather than an 'illness' Posteritatis Feb 2013 #74

Traditional mourning is one year. Turbineguy Feb 2013 #84

Just a way to get more people on more drugs and more money for big pharma. nt Raine Feb 2013 #88

There is a (not great) reason for this... politicat Feb 2013 #91

And some insurance require a referral to see a specialist TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #96

Thank you, very clear headed response. sibelian Feb 2013 #124

you are, of course correct steve2470 Feb 2013 #132

Exactly! politicat Feb 2013 #146

ridiculous limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #92

And how many gun-control advocates would insist on that criteria in the US? derby378 Feb 2013 #94

Stop crying and get back to work!!1! ck4829 Feb 2013 #100

Soylent Green here we come! nt patrice Feb 2013 #101

OMG! The APA is fighting mental health-care insurance-coverage parity. patrice Feb 2013 #102

Every day I read stories that I am certain are from The Onion. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #106

Post 45 both asks and answers "What the F happened to common $en$e?" green for victory Feb 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Sadiedog Feb 2013 #107

Please be careful before declaring what grief "is" or "is not" markpkessinger Feb 2013 #108

So employers will have a fit -- because this means elehhhhna Feb 2013 #112

Yes--it is an EXPANSION of benefits. Funny the woo crowd on this thread. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #140

I'm all for people getting treatment/relief but... steve2470 Feb 2013 #117

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch! tavalon Feb 2013 #122

K&R all the way. NT Jasana Feb 2013 #127

This is just part of our coldhearted culture that wants tblue37 Feb 2013 #130

But since every one is unique.... I suppose this new theory won't last to long... midnight Feb 2013 #133

I can see the cries from the NRA "They're out to label you mentally unstable and get your guns" eom tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #141

They just want to sell drugs. felix_numinous Feb 2013 #143

Dope the public into submission. glinda Feb 2013 #147

I think these psychologists need to see a psychologist...nt fadedrose Feb 2013 #148

2 weeks? That's short. Quantess Feb 2013 #149