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graham4anything

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47. The gun fired. Bullets, NOT in the constitution, should all be banned.

Reply to obamanut2012 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:16 PM

Feb 2013

then the gun would be a mere shell of itself.

There never in history has been an invention like the gun and bullet.
There is no good reason for it to be invented.

A gun in the hands by any private citizen (except for law enforcement on duty) never saved anyone.

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Undeniable fact: If the 9 mm had not been there, she would not be dead. [View all] Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 OP

This whole gun control debate reminds me of Freshman year Logic class livetohike Feb 2013 #1

Guns make everyone safe. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #2

Yep, sure worked out well for her, didn't it? calimary Feb 2013 #67

Maybe it wasn't the gun. Maybe it was Pistorious. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #3

Parse each word I wrote. Carefully. Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #6

I did and it makes no sense. You can't seriously suggest she would be alive if the gun was not prese Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #10

You can't possibly be suggesting... dairydog91 Feb 2013 #18

If he did not have his prosthetic legs on... ljm2002 Feb 2013 #27

Well remind me to only date bi-lateral amputees and make sure to hide his prosthetics Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #36

Come on... ljm2002 Feb 2013 #42

Violence is violence is violence. I wouldn't want to be attacked by gun, bat or bare hand. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #46

Did you read the part... ljm2002 Feb 2013 #70

No, it isn't. atufal Feb 2013 #82

I wish I could share in the salient humor you offer. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #33

As that particular fictional bullet point applies towards everyone rather than simply women LanternWaste Feb 2013 #50

She was locked in the bathroom. He couldn't have gotten to her without a gun. SharonAnn Feb 2013 #48

And the gun + dark was a tempting cover story.... bettyellen Feb 2013 #54

Except he DID get to her -- he beat the door in obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #69

I think he did after he shot... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #99

She had to come out sometime Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #129

In that situation every second matters treestar Feb 2013 #89

Not that I believe the boyfriend but.... Walk away Feb 2013 #4

I am sure the number of accidental shooting death are a not a... iandhr Feb 2013 #37

I wish someone would do some statistical research on that. Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #51

The NRA lobby has made sure the CDC do no such research for years now. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #56

About 600 accidental gun deaths per year. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #104

Excellent point. Reminds me of an incident. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #97

He would have used his hands or the cricket bat obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #5

Conjecture. Unlike the OP, which is an undeniable fact. Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #7

Nope, same thing as your OP obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #9

hmm. not even close. much more conjecture and opinion than fact cali Feb 2013 #16

I agree. HappyMe Feb 2013 #8

He could have killed her with the bat n2doc Feb 2013 #14

To paraphrase someone downthread obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #28

that's not true either. guns do make it easier to kill cali Feb 2013 #79

He was the bullet in the chamber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #115

If the bat worked then why did she scream out between shots... Walk away Feb 2013 #117

If not for the bullet in the gun. graham4anything Feb 2013 #11

He was the bullet in the chamber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #29

The gun/bullet is responsible. Clint Eastwood in Gran Tarino showed why graham4anything Feb 2013 #31

Right, and Oscar was the bullet obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #32

The gun fired. Bullets, NOT in the constitution, should all be banned. graham4anything Feb 2013 #47

You do realize sarisataka Feb 2013 #57

"Arms" has always been interpreted to include ammunition hack89 Feb 2013 #59

This was in South Africa obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #66

The Supreme Court says you're wrong. Bake Feb 2013 #85

Chief Justice Obama will in a few years render quite a different opinion. graham4anything Feb 2013 #91

Even Democrats won't do it. Bake Feb 2013 #94

90% of the public used to smoke. 90% of the public now doesn't smoke. graham4anything Feb 2013 #95

It's actually more like 80% don't smoke. Bake Feb 2013 #98

Ammunition is a part of an arms and is covered by 2A. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #105

The 2nd did not apply to the streets, but to a cannon in a private home. graham4anything Feb 2013 #109

You got a loooong wait coming. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #110

neither does a gun that isn't fired. no clicked finger and the gun is just an object. cali Feb 2013 #38

yes obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #40

This thread took a LOT longer than I thought. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #12

Julius Caesar called. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #106

et tu Brute? n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #116

Good thing OJ didn't have a gun. NoPasaran Feb 2013 #13

Fortunately he didn't, so Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman are still alive. dairydog91 Feb 2013 #20

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #22

Too bad the terrorist, Dorner,the corrupt ex-cop had a gun. OJ was found 100% innocent. graham4anything Feb 2013 #52

He was found Not Guilty sarisataka Feb 2013 #60

Of course OJ was guilty -- he got away with domestic murder obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #68

Civil cases have no basis in a conversation of a criminal trial. graham4anything Feb 2013 #87

You contradict yourself. First you say it's undeniable fact that she would not be dead, cali Feb 2013 #15

I loved the "your conjecture is conjecture" meme that was being born in this thread Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #21

The contradictory title and body show a desire for an argument. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #23

Maybe not. It looks like the op has left his thread cali Feb 2013 #34

. Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #49

brilliant response to my points, stinky! cali Feb 2013 #76

That wasn't a reposnse to your points Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #88

Incorrect. If it was murder, he'd have found a way. JVS Feb 2013 #17

Exactly -- you stated it better than I did upstairs obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #24

Don't play coy and write a different post from what your title clearly states. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #19

And the cricket bat he beat her with? He was going to kill her one way or another. This isn't .... marble falls Feb 2013 #25

Another thing to think about. If she'd only been armed in the bathroom... Bucky Feb 2013 #26

He was the bullet in the chamber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #30

"Undeniable Fact". If Oscar Pistorius had not been there, she would not be dead. nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #35

Bingo obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #39

There remains a non-zero probability that someone else would have killed her. JVS Feb 2013 #113

I think the only thing that is certain pipi_k Feb 2013 #41

I wouldn't say it's a fact, but it's likely. DanTex Feb 2013 #43

Well, maybe he could have stabbed her to death through a locked door? Of course, having a sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #44

He broke the door down. Abusive men kill women in other ways cali Feb 2013 #45

No, just that its a lot easier with a gun. Therefore, bettyellen Feb 2013 #55

Your post contradicts itself OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #53

Your last line is . . . . Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #58

yet another non-response to the claims you cali Feb 2013 #77

You do realize he bashed her head in too B2G Feb 2013 #61

he could've used lawn furniture... KG Feb 2013 #62

You assume the shooting was accidental. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #63

My handguns are in a fire safe (family heirlooms) and I have no ammo for them. Gorp Feb 2013 #64

Your edit is a pretty lame backpedal. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #65

So? What conclusion can we draw from that? FBaggins Feb 2013 #71

A murderer will use whatever weapon or means available pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #74

Yes this is definitely a case of domestic violence. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #72

I'm sick of people claiming it is their right! ybbor Feb 2013 #73

Uh, this was South Africa. B2G Feb 2013 #75

What's your point? ybbor Feb 2013 #80

What right are you being deprived of exactly? davidn3600 Feb 2013 #93

Seems to me the only way she would be alive is if she had shot him first. dkf Feb 2013 #78

So obviously, let's ban ALL handguns. Hell, ban ALL guns, period. Bake Feb 2013 #81

Right. Every fucking one of them. Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #83

And then what do we do about the deaths where the victim could not defend him/herself? Bake Feb 2013 #84

Oh stop it. Stinky The Clown Feb 2013 #86

a gun never saved anybody who couldn't have saved oneself using ones wits to do the same graham4anything Feb 2013 #111

Pretty absolute statement sarisataka Feb 2013 #118

Really? You know this for an actual fact, or are you just making shit up (again)? Bake Feb 2013 #120

So, those controllers who say "No one wants to take your guns" are wrong? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #112

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #114

I've posed this rhetorical question in some form 3 times today. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #119

Yeah, but we knew that already. Bake Feb 2013 #121

Interesting that so many are jumping all over your statement. MineralMan Feb 2013 #90

"She'd almost certainly still be alive." See now, that is a ridiculous statement based on nothing. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #92

It is far more difficult to kill someone MineralMan Feb 2013 #96

Probably because the statement in the headline is nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #100

Whatever you say, Lizzie. MineralMan Feb 2013 #101

No worries. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #122

whoa there. I jumped all over the contradictions in the op cali Feb 2013 #103

As with the OP, I'm with you up to the last line OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #108

These two sentences are not consistent. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #102

Refer to Post #53 OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #107

"I am really at a loss to understand the shitty-toned replies to my OP" - You attacked the precious apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #123

I completely disagree FreeJoe Feb 2013 #124

First of all, why would an intruder be locked in your bathroom? smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #125

The statistics are all on your side Warpy Feb 2013 #126

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #127

Solution - Outlaw Private Gun Ownership - Stiff Punitive Measures For Violators cantbeserious Feb 2013 #128