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TransitJohn

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22. Unfortunately, those stereotypes are mostly true

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:35 PM

Feb 2013

http://gawker.com/5985298/economic-analysis-unfortunately-confirms-stereotypes-about-art-school
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324432004578306610055834952.html

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The STEM shortage myth [View all] HiPointDem Feb 2013 OP

Also, if we really do have a shortage, why are h1b visas not coming from these countries? cap Feb 2013 #1

Ooo! Ooo! Let me answer! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #3

How did you determine that they are the Top Ten for STEM? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #6

Exactly. Chathamization Feb 2013 #2

Good critique. hay rick Feb 2013 #56

Its great to have real numbers that back the anecdotes I read on DU and elsewhere. Of IT guys riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #4

Its still just anecdotes coupled with some spin from both sides ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #7

Unfortunately, those stereotypes are mostly true TransitJohn Feb 2013 #22

None of my students ever had a problem finding a technical position ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5

no, PP, it's not just one data point. being a professor, you ought to know that. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #8

His oped is indeed one data point as is my experience ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12

the article talks about a number of data points; avtual research, as opposed to anecdotal HiPointDem Feb 2013 #14

I question the relevance of his sources and his projection of them nation wide ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #15

& i question your anecdote & your nick. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Feb 2013 #19

Basic Information Tech Should Be Taught In Vocational School Yavin4 Feb 2013 #10

You can make the case that IT is not college degree material ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #13

Basic Networking (e.g. HelpDesk), UI and Web Design, Basic Object Oriented Programming Yavin4 Feb 2013 #18

The real issues would be the level of instruction. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #20

Do You Think That The H1B Visas know Algorithms Yavin4 Feb 2013 #23

Those that I have worked with or interviewed generally did ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #25

I'm not talking about Academia. Yavin4 Feb 2013 #26

I am talking about industry as well ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #28

Not Every Job In IT Requires A CompSci Degree Yavin4 Feb 2013 #31

Few IT jobs require any degree ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #35

No, not at all 20yr in IT....most don't. uponit7771 Feb 2013 #29

Actually, quality programming doesn't require college level work jeff47 Feb 2013 #24

That would depend on field ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #27

It's always amusing when academics insist on telling us what we need. jeff47 Feb 2013 #30

Being a prof is my retirement gig, I have considerable experience outside of the university. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #33

The point is you AREN'T choosing the features. jeff47 Feb 2013 #45

Thank you for the Support. Yavin4 Feb 2013 #32

Another big part of this problem is our blindness to common business practice in America. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #9

They want a 25 year old with 15 yrs experience Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #11

I have hired a number of biologists quaker bill Feb 2013 #21

Couldn't get a job with the BS over 30 years ago. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #40

Brilliant is a challenge quaker bill Feb 2013 #53

Bingo! +1 for you & K&R for the thread. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #54

The myth is powerful because people just assume STEM is the future. reformist2 Feb 2013 #34

it is not in the capitalists' interest to educate and train lots of people to a high level. the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #36

It's not a myth BainsBane Feb 2013 #37

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #38

really? BainsBane Feb 2013 #39

Let me run you through my education training, MadHound Feb 2013 #42

You sound like a very well qualified teacher BainsBane Feb 2013 #52

i'm not a teacher. oh, and btw, Bain Capital is heavily invested in education reform, "Bain's Bane". HiPointDem Feb 2013 #44

No kidding BainsBane Feb 2013 #50

another point BainsBane Feb 2013 #41

yes, teachers are idiots. who can argue with what is so clear for all to see? replacing them HiPointDem Feb 2013 #43

What? BainsBane Feb 2013 #51

You are basing all of your "insight" and opinion on one of the most notoriously stupid MadHound Feb 2013 #46

I thought I specified BainsBane Feb 2013 #49

They want you to think we have a shortage of qualified STEM workers tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #47

indeed. i recently read they're trying to increase the h1b quota again. and h1b isn't the only HiPointDem Feb 2013 #48

I have a degree in EE and manage UNIX systems Recursion Feb 2013 #55

by EE do you mean electrical engineers? BainsBane Feb 2013 #57