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22. Cutting back is good; but meat substitutes are energy intensive

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:35 PM

Feb 2013

And some of the processing to make them is environmentally unfriendly.

Vegetables and fruits generally require more irrigation, pesticides and fertilizers than grain and hay farming.

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Halve meat consumption, scientists urge rich world [View all] malaise Feb 2013 OP

Well that is just unAmerican. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #1

I haven't eaten red meat since 1979 malaise Feb 2013 #12

Me too. I eat birds and fish, but no mammals. RadiationTherapy Feb 2013 #65

"This has diverted vast quantities of grain from human to animal consumption" KamaAina Feb 2013 #2

not to mention the water necessary to feed and "process" the livestock Flaxbee Feb 2013 #13

Just scarfed down a veggie lunch KamaAina Feb 2013 #20

I'm with you. I had pasta with cream of mushroom soup and peas poured over it. It was actually Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina Feb 2013 #19

not that difficult to cut out meat 4 to5 days a week, then on to 7 days a week nt msongs Feb 2013 #3

But but but Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #4

Actually, this could be very bad news for cow lovers. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #25

I love beef, but I don't love much of the beef sold in this country CreekDog Feb 2013 #76

You know I was being Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #81

I thought there was a 50-50 chance CreekDog Feb 2013 #83

I know Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #86

sounds good to me quinnox Feb 2013 #5

As a vegetarian, sounds good to me also. n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #6

So it's time to promote hunting now? alp227 Feb 2013 #7

I despised hunters until I became a vegetarian. Now I respect them. Gorp Feb 2013 #42

yup.I could never be a hunter myself, but the lives the animals lead before death are so much better renate Feb 2013 #78

I hunt & take 2 deer/yr, plus birds & squirrels... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #93

We should eat more Burmese python. They are a real PITA in FL, and we would be doing FL a favor. nt raccoon Feb 2013 #8

Ha! Yeah, that and nutria. nt valerief Feb 2013 #16

eww! they're just rats that live in the water. nt Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #27

Squirrels are rats in the trees, but superb eating. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #94

I hear it tastes like chicken ... Bake Feb 2013 #61

I'm doing it... Benton D Struckcheon Feb 2013 #9

I buy organic felix_numinous Feb 2013 #10

But, but, God made the Factory Farmer. Coyotl Feb 2013 #64

We are not vegetarians, but we have cut way way way back gollygee Feb 2013 #11

we have stopped eating meat most of the time too otherone Feb 2013 #14

This describes us. When we're out at somebody's house, we'll eat what's served riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #56

thanks for the reply otherone Feb 2013 #59

We have too. We have already cut our meat consumption at JDPriestly Feb 2013 #24

The only meat I eat are birds and occasionally fish. Is that okay? valerief Feb 2013 #15

Same here - since 1979 malaise Feb 2013 #21

Maybe he should tell the Chinese to cut it out. They lead the world in absolute terms Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #17

People say the same thing about CO2. mattclearing Feb 2013 #75

We don't want there to be a beef gap with the red Chinese! Scootaloo Feb 2013 #77

I didn't even know about the Beef Gap DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #108

It's a fairly simple graph. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #92

Are you a vegetarian? mattclearing Feb 2013 #109

And they have four times the population of the US wickerwoman Feb 2013 #96

OK two things gollygee Feb 2013 #100

Keep your greasy hands off my filet minion! AAO Feb 2013 #18

Cutting back is good; but meat substitutes are energy intensive FarCenter Feb 2013 #22

Halve the rate of human reproduction. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #23

this. --^-- BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #46

Thanks. Every word of your post is true and hits the real issues. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #74

JDPriestly....gee...thank you ! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #90

You are great! I'm always in awe of your posts. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #112

Winner! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #62

I have been trying to eat all of the cows, pigs, birds, and fish, but they keep making more! Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #26

lmao!! darkangel218 Feb 2013 #33

I'll help you! customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #45

How precisely is the premise of the OP religion dressed as science? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #48

I failed to include the sarcasm icon but it was Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #73

First world problems do tend to make us trivialize actual issues LanternWaste Feb 2013 #49

We need to feed cattle with Hemp seeds Politicalboi Feb 2013 #29

Too late DFW Feb 2013 #30

I can think of a good place to start... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #31

Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha malaise Feb 2013 #57

No way, no how!! darkangel218 Feb 2013 #32

You will also greatly reduce major animal abuse. judesedit Feb 2013 #34

Where do the WeenieTarians stand on this? Berlum Feb 2013 #35

Whether we want to or not is immaterial now NickB79 Feb 2013 #36

Eliminate it. Meat is not a necessary dietary component. Gorp Feb 2013 #37

No thanks! tritsofme Feb 2013 #50

Thanks for the welcome, but "MEAT IS MURDER" is sort of requisite here. Gorp Feb 2013 #54

Not sure how you figure that Major Nikon Feb 2013 #68

Doesn't PETA use that as one of their slogans? Gorp Feb 2013 #70

TOTALLY on point. nt Raine Feb 2013 #53

Are you a vegehegian too? It takes some work, but we can all do it. Gorp Feb 2013 #55

Agriculture works best when there is balance. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #103

I agree with almost everything you just posted except for the "model for all" line. Gorp Feb 2013 #110

Raising 100% grass-fed animals is GOOD for the environment AlecBGreen Feb 2013 #38

+1 eom arely staircase Feb 2013 #41

+100000000000000 Champion Jack Feb 2013 #43

Allan Savory's "Holistic Pasture Management" is incredible in rebuilding soils... drokhole Feb 2013 #60

thanks for the links AlecBGreen Feb 2013 #97

Whoa, that is freaking awesome! drokhole Feb 2013 #111

Livestock can support sustainable soil management, but I eat vegetables Kolesar Feb 2013 #80

+1 AlecBGreen Feb 2013 #98

My challenge now is to harvest later in the year Kolesar Feb 2013 #102

Yep, far better to raise cows that way. Used to be cheaper Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #95

deer is an excellent choice AlecBGreen Feb 2013 #101

Agreed. n/t FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #104

Already on it. kimmylavin Feb 2013 #39

Soylent Green is People! Fedaykin Feb 2013 #40

As an omnivore War Horse Feb 2013 #44

Eat organic free-range birds, eggs, pork and beef. We had already cut back on chicken and beef firenewt Feb 2013 #47

You just keep your pale, pasty and chapped hands off my 'beef, pork, lamb, goat'... ;) eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #51

i gave up beef 5 years ago..... Gato Moteado Feb 2013 #52

Meat is more of a treat than a staple for me RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #58

Same here. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #69

I didn't think that I could give up meat, but I really enjoy my meat & dairy-free meals emsimon33 Feb 2013 #63

have the horesmeat mixed in your burger scandal spead to the united state dembotoz Feb 2013 #66

Don't know n/t malaise Feb 2013 #67

Healthier also, to eat less meat. n/t area51 Feb 2013 #71

Haven't touched the stuff in at least a decade. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2013 #72

Good idea. Matariki Feb 2013 #79

Okay, I'll do it. Neoma Feb 2013 #82

I'm not rich but you can have mine... AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #84

We are just like you malaise Feb 2013 #87

Yay! AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #88

Message auto-removed CharlieVicker Feb 2013 #85

This is my first reason for not eating meat stuntcat Feb 2013 #89

I'll pass, thank you. Llewlladdwr Feb 2013 #91

Americans read it w/o the l: "Have meat consumption" 0rganism Feb 2013 #99

ROFL - you hae a point but it's not only Americans who can't spell malaise Feb 2013 #105

Seems Moore Lappe was onto something. nt shcrane71 Feb 2013 #106

Great idea.. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #107

Some responses to this are telling. flvegan Mar 2013 #113

LOL malaise Mar 2013 #115

IIRC some vegies such as spinach have much more protein than meat, without the risks Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #114