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NCTraveler

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65. See what you are saying and agree.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:23 PM
Feb 2013

But I do think there is a big difference between elected members of congress and the real world on this one. Before I became a business owner, my best job and compensation was from a pretty far right winger. I worked pretty insane hours but I was well compensated. I made as much then as I do now as a small business owner. He was also very appreciative and fair. He believed that the compensation would get the most out of me and it did. I learned a lot and was very grateful for the experience. That was for a business that consisted of three people.

But in legislators across the country it is a left/right issue. It is clear that the elected righties don't really give a shit and don't mind people putting in 40+ per week and still not being able to afford simple necessities.

What I am saying is that in the real world of small business, compensation isn't about left or right. There can be very cheap people on both sides of the spectrum. Small business should never use minimum wage as a starting point to set wages. Should be that way in larger business but it is more understandable why they need to have a minimum target wage. That is why minimum wage must be brought up to a livable wage. It is the corps who have thousands of employees who use minimum wage as an excuse to keep themselves "competitive". If minimum wage was raised to a livable wage, their prices would go up, but not to the extent that their wages would be outpaced by the inflation it creates.

I am lucky to not have to concern myself with minimum wage when it comes to my employees. They are very valuable to me and need to know it. And lets be real, they are not here for their love of me. They are here to make a living for their families. And that is important to me.

and if the company goes out of business - or fires 3 to pay for the salary uptick el_bryanto Feb 2013 #1
Right. If a business cannot survive it goes out of business Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #2
unless it's wall street or a major corporation. then you get a bailout and a government-assisted HiPointDem Feb 2013 #3
Right. That's bullshit too. Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #5
but that's not happening. meanwhile, small business is dying and every nook and cranny HiPointDem Feb 2013 #8
wrong. there are some niches in which small business is thriving. cali Feb 2013 #14
Yes, true n/t Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #19
the statistics say otherwise. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #34
not that you've provided any evidence for that claim. cali Feb 2013 #46
Do you think it woudl be worthwhile to look at how many small busniesses would close? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #4
Absolutely. Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #6
If we can subsidize farmers, we can subsidize the truly small business. Lars39 Feb 2013 #33
Yes. PotatoChip Feb 2013 #55
No, the small business might survive OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #73
Where are you getting these numbers? starroute Feb 2013 #84
Such a small business would not be affected Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #89
and that the business can not produce the same goods. robinlynne Feb 2013 #98
And also recessions Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #88
There must be a list of all the small businesses that went out of business in 2007 Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #16
We've done tons of natural experiments on this subject jeff47 Feb 2013 #75
I'm not sure how that would help my business... Bay Boy Feb 2013 #78
And when your customers make more money in their businesses jeff47 Feb 2013 #80
If they go out of business it will because the demand for their goods or services isn't there. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #83
If a company is devolved enough to have the stark choice LanternWaste Feb 2013 #87
It highlights why the system may be beyond the point of no return davidn3600 Feb 2013 #7
+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #9
No doubt it is a serious spiral Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #10
Many small businesses pay their employees more than the large corporations do. Cleita Feb 2013 #11
I support small biz whenever I can Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #13
My answer is in the links cali Feb 2013 #12
Do you have any idea what it takes to own a small business? Light House Feb 2013 #15
A "living wage" numerical value will vary according to location Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #17
I misunderstood you. Light House Feb 2013 #22
I disagree - I don't believe that every job needs to pay a living wage.... riverbenddem Feb 2013 #54
That's how the slippery slope begins Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #59
That may work in a strong economy, but... white_wolf Feb 2013 #74
But why is the responsibility for the bad economy turned onto the small businessperson? riverbenddem Feb 2013 #77
But of what level of quality are we talking about? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #76
history is not on your side. nebenaube Feb 2013 #47
Maybe you should read post #29. Light House Feb 2013 #51
Gee I thought you were a policeman Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #49
I never said I was a cop. Light House Feb 2013 #58
that kinda stuff is creepy as hell datasuspect Feb 2013 #66
I don't know what I did to attract this persons attention. Light House Feb 2013 #67
it's better to just ignore them datasuspect Feb 2013 #68
I'm really hesitant to put anyone on ignore Light House Feb 2013 #69
If you think I am stalking you, which I am not Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #92
I see no reason to take such a minor problem to the Admins. Light House Feb 2013 #93
Ah, didn't think you would Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #94
Check Light House' profile now Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #102
Interesting thread. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #18
What about the non-profits? YarnAddict Feb 2013 #20
Yeah, there are some tricky exceptions Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #23
The good thing about the minimum wage being raised gollygee Feb 2013 #27
Minimum wage workers that work for nonprofit organizations should get a subsidy. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #30
Maybe if low income people were paid more they afford to be pet owners. Cobalt Violet Feb 2013 #36
Because "owners" get all the money, everybody knows that. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #21
That's not true at all. Light House Feb 2013 #24
Way to miss the point n/t Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #25
Not true. cali Feb 2013 #26
I'm one of those Light House Feb 2013 #29
You are one of those doing it right Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #31
Thanks. Light House Feb 2013 #35
They shouldn't. EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #28
Are you sure you're in the right place? Light House Feb 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2013 #95
I agree with you. I seldom eat out any more because I can't afford to tip. Cleita Feb 2013 #38
Funny - that's really not a liberal viewpoint. It's actually very RW/libertarian/dog eat dog-ish. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #39
You have to blame our system, not the employees or the POV of this poster. Cleita Feb 2013 #52
I've done the math and for most of the last 21 years I have actually made less per hour than kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #37
I could easily expand my operation, purchase more equipment, hire drivers...and take a pay cut. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #42
Advocating for a living wage is equivalent to attacking small biz owners? Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #43
That's a common tale Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #90
Minimum wage is the boss's way of saying "if I could pay you less, I would" MindPilot Feb 2013 #40
Small businesses can't afford to pay a living wage when no one else is gollygee Feb 2013 #41
I agree bluestateguy Feb 2013 #44
a dollar or two an hour would NOT raise wages to a living wage anywhere in the country. cali Feb 2013 #50
They should not. If they can't pay someone properly they need to do the work their damn selves. we can do it Feb 2013 #45
gad. cali Feb 2013 #56
Who said $16? I thought we were talking $10, and a great idea shouldn't need an army of workers. we can do it Feb 2013 #85
Small business owner here. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #48
I think your experience is typical Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #53
See what you are saying and agree. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #57
Small businesses are corporations. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #70
Less than a living wage is shortening lives. Lint Head Feb 2013 #60
and the forcing of small business to pay a livable wage cali Feb 2013 #63
business regulations are written by big business JCMach1 Feb 2013 #61
Not at all true in my state. cali Feb 2013 #64
in FL it is unfortunately JCMach1 Feb 2013 #96
Realistically I doubt Third Doctor Feb 2013 #62
K&R forestpath Feb 2013 #71
Depends entirely on how much "a living wage" is. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #72
I wish there was a formula. Cleita Feb 2013 #81
Depending on the type of business drmeow Feb 2013 #79
I would be ashamed of myself if I cheapassed my staff. TygrBright Feb 2013 #82
If they don't pay people a living wage, the taxpayer has to pick up the difference in the Squinch Feb 2013 #86
I've owned and operated a couple businesses over the years PD Turk Feb 2013 #91
A living minimum income for all is a basic right. libtodeath Feb 2013 #97
Not to worry. US tax payers subsidize them with food stamps and free health care clinics. L0oniX Feb 2013 #100
Compare the wage you feel people should get with an RFID system that can instantly tally your dkf Feb 2013 #101
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