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nolabear

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60. I can't even begin to describe what insurance companies put us and our patients through.

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:13 PM

Feb 2013

They want us to tell them how long it will take to deal with something, what we will do in order to do it, threaten to put us on "special" lists if we see people more frequently than they deem necessary (note this is all without ever having seen or interacted with the patient), and those lists are the people whose cases they frequently audit and challenge. The lack of realistic conceptualization about what mentally oriented difficulties are and how they can be helped is mind boggling. And it IS a difficult thing, I'm sure, for a for-profit company to claim they insure people for such things and then face how nebulous and individual treatment is. All the more reason to make universal health care work.

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We really need a national mental health database that can be accessed [View all] Leslie Valley Feb 2013 OP

If nothing else, that would be a great way to stop people from seeking help Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #1

Bingo. Due process is key. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #2

"Due process" is a legal term zipplewrath Feb 2013 #11

That's a pretty egregious violation of civil rights. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #17

So the devil is in the details zipplewrath Feb 2013 #36

Have you invented an eye chart... meaculpa2011 Feb 2013 #37

Sounds good but wont work legaleagle_45 Feb 2013 #53

As there are zipplewrath Feb 2013 #68

Great way to blacklist them from various other things as well Posteritatis Feb 2013 #23

exactly. nt lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #45

Sure, I won't get help because I'm worried I might not be able to buy a gun someday snooper2 Feb 2013 #48

One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen proposed here. cali Feb 2013 #3

ditto Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #4

I'd love to peruse that database* didact Feb 2013 #55

Seeking help for depression at 17 years old...have trouble getting a job NightWatcher Feb 2013 #5

Or lose your RKBA. Or lose voting rights. Or be refused as a witness. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #7

because databases never get hacked or used for evil reasons. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #6

No way! Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #8

We really need national mental health care, first. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #9

Yes, at the very least. cbayer Feb 2013 #15

So which "major mental illnesses" would you suggest we single out as not being healthy enough to own cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #10

As a mental health practitioner I think this is generally pointless and potentially dangerous. nolabear Feb 2013 #12

Excellent response, nolabear sibelian Feb 2013 #20

What do you think of NY database hack89 Feb 2013 #22

I also must by law report a real threat. I don't know about the NY database. nolabear Feb 2013 #34

AA would cease to exist loyalsister Feb 2013 #27

That's why they're anonymous. It's the only way some people can tolerate it. nolabear Feb 2013 #35

I know... loyalsister Feb 2013 #43

Maybe, but it's private, non profit, and likely wouldn't be possible. nolabear Feb 2013 #67

I have access to mental health records.... cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #39

Not a mental health issue, but... pipi_k Feb 2013 #40

I can't even begin to describe what insurance companies put us and our patients through. nolabear Feb 2013 #60

+1 tallahasseedem Feb 2013 #62

What Nolabear said +1000 cliffordu Feb 2013 #66

IMO, this is a bad idea. City Lights Feb 2013 #13

This is a very, very slippery slope. cbayer Feb 2013 #14

Actually, there is a database. At least for anyone treated through insurance - lynne Feb 2013 #16

HIPPA loyalsister Feb 2013 #28

And very serious consequences for violating it. cbayer Feb 2013 #31

My wife is a nurse. Waltons_Mtn Feb 2013 #54

"She told me she could be personally sued" loyalsister Feb 2013 #56

I totally agree. Waltons_Mtn Feb 2013 #59

What about people pipi_k Feb 2013 #18

Can you say, "unitended consequences?" markpkessinger Feb 2013 #19

Most fans of this sort of thing intend those extra consequences. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #25

I think it starts with having a bias or disregard for people who have mental illnesses in the first loyalsister Feb 2013 #29

NY plans such a data base. nt hack89 Feb 2013 #21

NY plans and does absurd things with nary a raised eyebrow. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #30

Completely agree Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #44

No due process. So no. n/t X_Digger Feb 2013 #24

Great idea for keeping lots of records about mentally ill people... sibelian Feb 2013 #26

Not. Squinch Feb 2013 #32

Reads like a call to strike-out at what is feared rather than what is known HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #33

Never,if repukes had access to that database it would be abused like no one can imagine libtodeath Feb 2013 #38

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #47

How about one with every detail, full medical records, etc. of everyone's life? Coyotl Feb 2013 #41

Thie is practically impossible ..Here's why. SoCalDem Feb 2013 #42

The responses to the OP really encourage me. Denninmi Feb 2013 #46

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #49

One person's national mental health database is another person's list of "undesirables"..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #50

One person's nmh database is another's vein of gold...and gold veins get mined. HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #63

Like Duer 157099 said, this will backfire. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #51

Uh, . . . NO!! patrice Feb 2013 #52

What we need is comprehensive, universally accessible, WHOLE-PERSON Health CARE & a patrice Feb 2013 #57

What we need are more of these and fewer churches: patrice Feb 2013 #58

Who needs a database to know coveting an UZI is a problem for society? Hoyt Feb 2013 #61

Sure. You can give all of us tattoos to make it easier to identify us. cliffordu Feb 2013 #64

Well with that kind of logic Sivafae Feb 2013 #65