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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
17. The Problem Of Starting A War...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:59 AM
Feb 2013

...is finding a way to get out of it. And this was especially the case with Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure we have no disagreement that the Iraq invasion was a massive war crime and created more security problems for the U.S., not less. Afghanistan is another matter. It was and still is an international "police action" as no war has ever been declared. There still are British, German and other foreign troops as part of the ISAF force...obviously far smaller in size than the U.S. and most involved in non-combat support...but they are there and used as a justification for continued U.S. involvement.

That said...initially a majority of Americans saw Afghanistan as a just action. The Taliban had sheltered bin Laden who had claimed responsibility for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Our first actions were using special forces and assisting the local militias...which drove the Taliban from power and Al Queda out of the country. I felt at that point...2003...we should have made a hasty exit but the boooshies war machine got fascinated with Iraq and left Afghanistan to return to its previously scheduled civil war with our troops stuck in the middle.

This administration has moved too slowly on extracating our troops from that area...but that's the fate of empire. There's a strong possibility that the second we withdraw military protection over Karzai's corrupt regime (reminds me of Thieu in S. Vietnam) he'll fall and there's be the fall out of "who lost Afghanistan". It's that fallout that this administration fears...in the meantime the missiles will fly...

And, it was good business for the MIC, all of the $$$$$ spent. Are we a nation of peace or a RKP5637 Feb 2013 #1
The bidness of America is bidness Fumesucker Feb 2013 #7
It's surely our nations' biggest business investment. Everything else comes secondary to the MIC.n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #10
K&R libtodeath Feb 2013 #2
First we bombed Iraq, then terrorized their people (a la the buildup to the massacre at Fallujah) loudsue Feb 2013 #3
104 acres worth kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #12
Head slap. loudsue Feb 2013 #36
+1, loudsue, +1 annabanana Feb 2013 #24
President Gore would have needed a police action salib Feb 2013 #27
Gore wasn't friends with Osama & family lark Feb 2013 #40
This is extremely well said. Too bad messages like yours don't reach the masses rather than lame RKP5637 Feb 2013 #28
"We"? AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #33
If, despite all efforts to the contrary, we were unable annabanana Feb 2013 #42
I agree. randome Feb 2013 #43
Are "we" all to blame? AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #47
Some of us don't equate terrorists to ordinary Americans. The Link Feb 2013 #4
Yes we know.... daleanime Feb 2013 #8
I truly dig Russ Feingold. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #14
K&R.... daleanime Feb 2013 #5
The entire PNAC playbook was never about "freeing" people from "evildoers". Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #6
Disagree, respectfully lark Feb 2013 #41
What is it about drones that have anything to do with your central point? randome Feb 2013 #9
Yes, but ordinary warfare is so much messier for our side. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #11
My point is that physically invading a country results in many more civilian deaths. randome Feb 2013 #13
I'm saying that the mutuality of the messiness of conventional warfare Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #15
Good point, the core question is, "...why not debate the reason we are in other countries in the RKP5637 Feb 2013 #16
We already pretty much own the world. We need to admit that. randome Feb 2013 #18
Well said, and especially your last sentence!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #20
The Problem Of Starting A War... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #17
Of COURSE Karzai will fall. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #21
wars are/historically have been almost always about resources of the non-human kind stupidicus Feb 2013 #19
Yes, this makes perfect sense. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #25
Thanks for posting this! I'll watch it all later. It looks quite good! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #29
The ingrates don't realize that we're killing their families for their own good. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #22
Right, they need to look forward not backward grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #32
The USA should nationalize its Defense Industries. Octafish Feb 2013 #23
Why stop there? Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #26
Oustanding suggestion, yours. Octafish Feb 2013 #34
Yes, and that is a concise list Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #39
And it cost us 2 billion every week! While they propose starving grandma. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #30
"What you mean 'we,' Kemo Sabe?" AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #31
More reasons to conclude.. truth2power Feb 2013 #35
I didn't go anywhere near that area for a reason. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #44
I understand. truth2power Feb 2013 #46
All wars are industry wars. nt valerief Feb 2013 #37
Glad to see this with its own thread Oilwellian Feb 2013 #38
The MIC requires a permanent war budget. Also, Afghanistan has poppies Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #45
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