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106. Those who refer to her death as "retributive justice' and those who say
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:51 PM
Feb 2013

"I am not a detractor of his" etc etc.

Certainly there's been a lot more outrage at Dorner's death than there has been at the deaths of the people he butchered.

How many threads of people denouncing the police as muderers , vigilantes, and murderers based on the mere fact that they didn't like the fact that Dorner died--all receiving dozens of recs? (yes, I know they claim it was a due process concern, but not a single one has explained how his due process rights were violated)

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #1
yes. simple enough. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #2
k&r HappyMe Feb 2013 #3
What? You mean the 'gubberment conspiracy' to take him out isn't the extent of the story? onehandle Feb 2013 #4
Gubberment conspiracy? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #14
You are hitching your cart to the wrong horse, hoss BlueStreak Feb 2013 #58
yes, we should continue to ignore them 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #60
No. You address the real issues head on and leave this other nonsense alone. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #168
please don't tell me what I can and cannot address n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #196
Dorner killed policeman and the children of policeman... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #5
Neither Ned Kelley, Billy the Kid, nor Bonnie and Clyde ever ambushed and murdered ... 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #186
Different times, different strokes. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #192
apparently IOKIYNTS hfojvt Feb 2013 #6
I thought NTS was an abbreviation for 'nuts' there, for a second...nt MADem Feb 2013 #17
Missing the point completely... Taverner Feb 2013 #7
purposely 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #10
The "they" that shot up the vehicles is NOT the "they" that surrounded the cabin. MADem Feb 2013 #23
there were several jurisdictions involved in that final episode.. frylock Feb 2013 #28
The "they" that were running the show were the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department. MADem Feb 2013 #35
regardless of who had operational control.. frylock Feb 2013 #113
Yes, and they had an APV out there that was tearing down the walls of the cabin, too. MADem Feb 2013 #114
that is indeed true.. frylock Feb 2013 #115
yes, they probably only have one bad apple in their 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #40
The issue isn't bad apples--the issue is calling every law enforcement MADem Feb 2013 #73
ya know what? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #76
I like to discuss issues and current events, but I don't take things personally. MADem Feb 2013 #98
Do you realize those that "shot up the vehicles" were not the same departments either??????????????? George II Feb 2013 #57
DUH, no, that's not true--LAPD did shoot up the vehicle in Torrance. MADem Feb 2013 #68
Both shootings were IN Torrance, the first by LAPD, the second by Torrance PD..... George II Feb 2013 #134
We'll just have to split the difference, then. MADem Feb 2013 #136
In this case, three wrongs (think about it!) George II Feb 2013 #187
and? robinlynne Feb 2013 #70
well put. Thank-you. robinlynne Feb 2013 #69
or, one may feel that you are missing a very glaring point. the victims.... nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #12
the victims of police departments across the country or just those 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #41
ah. so the victims of doner matter not? not true victim? not as much victim? seabeyond Feb 2013 #45
your problem (Dorner) is dead 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #50
I think you take it wrong. robinlynne Feb 2013 #71
ya know what? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #72
i can appreciate your post. seabeyond Feb 2013 #80
No, the ones about whom you've shown zero concern. As has most of the site. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #82
here cali Feb 2013 #8
but your facts get in the way of my pointless self conceived indignation! Johonny Feb 2013 #15
lol. thanks for not ignoring my post, J. cali Feb 2013 #19
RIP the four marions ghost Feb 2013 #9
Only Doner cartach Feb 2013 #84
Thanks for that link, marions ghost.. Cha Feb 2013 #129
I am sad for everybody injured by this tragedy magical thyme Feb 2013 #11
Well Said! vankuria Feb 2013 #30
Careful there - you are supposed to feel only hatred for Dorner. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #33
There is are emotions between hatred nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #49
K&R. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #13
K&R rynestonecowboy Feb 2013 #34
Yes, some of whom left spouses and young children. It's rather unfortunate that a very small crew MADem Feb 2013 #16
everyone is always stupid when they don't agree with you? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #46
Oh, please. MADem Feb 2013 #79
"Speaking Power To The Man..." KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #53
There are inconvenient truths to his situation, too, that people would rather not acknowledge. MADem Feb 2013 #90
This Walks Into A Far Bigger Issue Americans Don't Want To Go Near... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #96
Absolutely. People are afraid of the topic, and afraid of the sufferers, too. MADem Feb 2013 #101
Thank You For Sharing... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #112
One from me dkf Feb 2013 #18
I'm confused. Is your thread for them, or for Dorner? Glassunion Feb 2013 #20
My sympathy for Mr Dorner ends at the two uninvolved people he murdered. That said .... marble falls Feb 2013 #21
Sadly, I think what gets lost in situations like this Blue_Roses Feb 2013 #22
Exactly. Crickets all around on that. cliffordu Feb 2013 #24
What is more messed up is the outrage on Dorner's behalf, not for Monica Quan or Keith Lawrence. dkf Feb 2013 #25
Most people are outraged, not on dorner's "behalf", but at the inappropriate actions of police. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #32
And Dorner murdering Quan and Lawrence in cold blood was an appropriate action? dbackjon Feb 2013 #42
That is where you get it all wrong. There is not ONE DUer who thinks Dorner's murders were ok. robinlynne Feb 2013 #74
How upset are you that Monica Quan is dead? dkf Feb 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #95
snap frylock Feb 2013 #124
Trayvon's death was a tragedy and obviously not his fault. dkf Feb 2013 #158
His manifesto fails my smell test. He rants on about how he wants to kill mean lesbian bosses and MADem Feb 2013 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #94
Where are the threads you posted for them? Hatchling Feb 2013 #26
ahhh, u must have missed all the "he killed two beautiful young people" 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #27
search function broken for you, Will? frylock Feb 2013 #29
They aren't controversial but he is? People like to talk about controversy. It's human nature. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #31
Where was the due process for Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence? Sedona Feb 2013 #36
By that logic, we should never have trials for murder. While the courts are flawed, lynch mobs have yurbud Feb 2013 #38
That makes zero sense as a reply dbackjon Feb 2013 #43
I am not implying that at all, but "due process" like the Geneva Convention is for people we don't yurbud Feb 2013 #54
What would you have suggested they do? dbackjon Feb 2013 #56
you seem not to have read my reply. The cops may not have had other options yurbud Feb 2013 #61
I fully understand due process dbackjon Feb 2013 #63
I was arguing with your comment about the victims which implied that with that crime, yurbud Feb 2013 #133
That is not what I said dbackjon Feb 2013 #138
Well, if he was violently opposed to engaging in due process, not their geek tragedy Feb 2013 #81
Dorner was holed up in a house shooting at cops with a assault rifle Sedona Feb 2013 #52
I didn't say that, I was just responding to the "due process" comment yurbud Feb 2013 #179
There should be more threads for Dorner's victims meanit Feb 2013 #37
that's a good summary. yurbud Feb 2013 #39
people are giving the domestic equivalent of the argument for torture and drone executions yurbud Feb 2013 #44
Indeed. If this were a simple event of a nutcase killing innocents and, in the end, being chased Nay Feb 2013 #59
What about the inflexible mob that is unwilling to admit that Dorner had a chance to surrender dbackjon Feb 2013 #48
Of course Dorner could have surrendered meanit Feb 2013 #83
If he wasn't going to surrender dbackjon Feb 2013 #141
What would I have suggested the police do? meanit Feb 2013 #166
Maybe we should let an investigation happen first dbackjon Feb 2013 #172
Agreed meanit Feb 2013 #177
Or it's people who insist on stating that the police tried and actually geek tragedy Feb 2013 #88
Dorner is gone. What do you care if people question the cop's intentions? meanit Feb 2013 #110
For one, you have no evidence he burned to death as opposed to geek tragedy Feb 2013 #117
You have no more evidence than anybody else, either. meanit Feb 2013 #154
indeed frylock Feb 2013 #116
You could have started a thread for them instead of asking where they were. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #47
I think Will just did Katie Feb 2013 #67
See what you started Will? Hekate Feb 2013 #55
55 posts in, and that's your takeaway?! frylock Feb 2013 #128
Hey, would you let me know when the imminent answer arrives? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #176
i must have those people on ignore, because i'm not seeing those posts either frylock Feb 2013 #184
Innocent victims all rustydog Feb 2013 #62
This is one unique story. A perfect storm if you will. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2013 #64
The guy was selfish. He wasn't trying to lead a cause.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #65
It's hard to get to empathy for Dorner's victims until ciking724 Feb 2013 #75
So, your stance is that Dorner is the real victim, and until his good name is cleared geek tragedy Feb 2013 #85
My stance is exactly as stated, it is difficult for those who identify ciking724 Feb 2013 #119
You spoke as one who identifies with Dorner. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #121
I disagree. Decent people will be concerned about investigating this case and bringing those ciking724 Feb 2013 #130
I'll blame the guy who shot them. Novel idea. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #132
Yup dbackjon Feb 2013 #147
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #153
Okay, you're just a troll. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #157
Not a troll; just sharing the truth. Have a nice day! ciking724 Feb 2013 #159
If it wasn't against the TOS to call you a troll, I'd call you a troll. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #169
Um, you still just called them a troll.. which is against TOS MessiahRp Feb 2013 #195
Disgusting attitude dbackjon Feb 2013 #144
Ruh roh, we're agreeing a lot these days. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #148
LOL - I noticed that ;) dbackjon Feb 2013 #151
This man was not insane, and you know that. He WAS NOT a serial murderer, or he ciking724 Feb 2013 #167
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #171
Who says anything about giving LAPD a pass? dbackjon Feb 2013 #173
Oh, what absolute RUBBISH. sibelian Feb 2013 #178
How dare you call a DUer evil while excusing a serial killer. Yes, he was a serial killer. DevonRex Feb 2013 #181
I disagree. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #185
Your remarks do not account for a couple of facts. MADem Feb 2013 #111
People who identify with a serial killer generally are sociopaths to begin with. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #123
My understanding is that the LAPD ciking724 Feb 2013 #125
How on earth does that affect your ability to feel empathy geek tragedy Feb 2013 #126
For many people, the injustice to Dorner and the victims he spoke up for, ciking724 Feb 2013 #145
Speak for yourself please. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #146
That attitude is fucking sick. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #193
He told HIS version of what he believed happened dbackjon Feb 2013 #152
I think in our heart of hearts, we all know he told the truth. ciking724 Feb 2013 #155
So you are saying that someone that does not believe Dorner 100% is EVIL? dbackjon Feb 2013 #156
Dude, this is a troll. A rightwinger talking like his fantasy of what geek tragedy Feb 2013 #161
Yet his posts are cleared by the jury... dbackjon Feb 2013 #162
He'll fall off the high wire eventually. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #164
He had failed of selection TWICE. That's why he lost his clearance. MADem Feb 2013 #175
these argument about dorner are really pushing on the intellectually dishonest territory La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #77
Had he been a Neo-Nazi white guy and his victims African-American, I can geek tragedy Feb 2013 #87
yes, because there is historical context there. not because of nothing. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #92
Historical context is irrelevant to the blameworthiness of a man who murders geek tragedy Feb 2013 #93
actually the example you provided does matter La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #97
Not really. Monica Quan's family is grieving regardless. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #99
yes, and no one is saying that she was not a victim or that her death was not sad La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #100
At least one person is: geek tragedy Feb 2013 #103
one person w. 65 posts on du. my original argument that people are really stretching La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #105
Hmmm, how many people were denouncing the police for taking him out geek tragedy Feb 2013 #107
again, we can't control individual mad men we however have a responsibility to control La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #109
Problem is, people are claiming abuse where there's no evidence geek tragedy Feb 2013 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Feb 2013 #102
one du'er with 65 posts, is your best example of how du'ers dont think about the victim. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #104
Those who refer to her death as "retributive justice' and those who say geek tragedy Feb 2013 #106
this is because we can't stop individual people but the state acts at our behest La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #108
But the false accusation that Dorner was murdered indicates more than geek tragedy Feb 2013 #120
Yes, Lioness, you are exactly correct. I expect DUers to be better at critical thinking, and I Nay Feb 2013 #91
The main point of intellectual dishonesty is the claim that the police use of the tear geek tragedy Feb 2013 #127
no no no. anything short of "Burn the mutherfucker" is tacit approval.. frylock Feb 2013 #131
When people make shit up about how his rights were violated, that's a tacit geek tragedy Feb 2013 #135
yeah i agree. also we dont exert control over random civilian actions (even if they are as heinous La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #174
+1 nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #182
Depends. Do I agree with their politics? Prism Feb 2013 #78
Yup. In a nutshell. nt Chorophyll Feb 2013 #86
Yep. one_voice Feb 2013 #190
Start them. Gore1FL Feb 2013 #89
The reason for the difference is that DU is largely a place for discussing public affairs. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #122
The question, though, is whether this debate would be going on under the exact geek tragedy Feb 2013 #139
I, for one, believe in due process for all -- even Anders Breivik. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #160
Here's an example of what I was talking about. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #163
You put it best. yurbud Feb 2013 #142
I wondered that. Especially DevonRex Feb 2013 #137
Too many people are trying to "understand" Dorner and intellectualized gibberish defenses of him bluestateguy Feb 2013 #140
that's what right wing pundits said after 9/11, and the lack of public analysis of motives yurbud Feb 2013 #150
K/R thank you for your post sasha031 Feb 2013 #143
The latest victim was Jeremiah MacKay Cha Feb 2013 #149
You mean the 'alleged victim' right? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #165
You have made your contempt for the concept of due process pretty clear. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #183
Thank you. I've wondered the same thing - lynne Feb 2013 #170
I agree completely. Ilsa Feb 2013 #180
This is the silliest response I have read Android3.14 Feb 2013 #188
No idea Blecht Feb 2013 #189
I thought you were actually paid to write. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #191
I think it's a tragedy when anyone dies by violence Prophet 451 Feb 2013 #194
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