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In reply to the discussion: Why are drone strikes any different than the bombing of Dresden? [View all]Confusious
(8,317 posts)196. Yea, don't think so
Unless you give me a cite and a source, I'll go with this:
There is still much debate as to what social groups constituted the usual victims of these sacrifices. It is often assumed that all victims were 'disposable' commoners or foreigners. However, slaves - a major source of victims - were not a permanent class but rather persons from any level of Aztec society who had fallen into debt or committed some crime (see Duran, Book of the Gods and Rites, 131, 260). Likewise, most of the earliest accounts talk of prisoners of war of diverse social status, and concur that virtually all child sacrifices were locals of noble lineage, offered by their own parents (compare Cortes, Letters 105 with Motolinia, History of the Indies 118-119 and Duran, Book of the Gods, 223, 242).
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There are theories that Dresden was bombed in revenge for the bombing of Coventry,
hedgehog
Feb 2013
#1
One result of the bombing was that people who lost their civilian jobs (say at a local bake shop)
hedgehog
Feb 2013
#9
"As John Galbraith showed after the war, strategic bombing accomplished little..."
Taverner
Feb 2013
#121
Well, it certainly wasn't in revenge for the innocent civilians murdered in the camps.
aquart
Feb 2013
#178
I've read Slaughter House Five a long time ago. I guess I should go back and reread. n/t
Cleita
Feb 2013
#7
Yes, he did and with all the on the streets reporting we were getting then, nary
Cleita
Feb 2013
#14
We had a Panamanian student at the college where I was teaching at the time
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2013
#72
I appreciate it when people correct me on my many mistakes. I never know whether
JDPriestly
Feb 2013
#139
The comparison comes more from the point that we were actually at war with Germany.
Cleita
Feb 2013
#19
I guess if your child gets killed or his legs blown off because you were in the wrong
Cleita
Feb 2013
#40
Absolutely nothing, but you have picked on a few words in my discussion and ignored every context
Cleita
Feb 2013
#49
And how many innocent civilians who died in bombing deaths have to stand on the head
Cleita
Feb 2013
#37
Really? One innocent death is as bad as 25,000 (not 250K per earlier post)?
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#124
Phosphorous. That's nasty. Were the Germans upset to lose so many of their women and children?
aquart
Feb 2013
#89
That ship sailed long ago, since practically every Pashtun has a blood feud with the US
FarCenter
Feb 2013
#43
well, i guess that means we have to kill them all, then. to be safe, you know.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#82
So now if you oppose the incineration of civilians you are a "pro-nazi".
former9thward
Feb 2013
#168
Now you are relying on support of a man many considered to be a war criminal.
former9thward
Feb 2013
#219
No Difference - Question Is - What Kind Of Society Do We Want To Be - Benevolent Or Terrorist?
cantbeserious
Feb 2013
#45
Dresden was bombed - as were other cities - to break the will of the German People
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#53
1. Civilian Germans, though not guiltless, were not the S.S. 2. The SOVIET Army
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#63
By "sacrifices of the Soviet people" you mean the civilians murdered by the Germans as they advanced
aquart
Feb 2013
#90
Yes, I do. Again: The Russians weren't murdered by German citizens, but by soldiers.
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#144
You are trying to claim that one mass killing was okay, because there were others.
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#145
Yup. Roosevelt refused to take in fleeing Jewish refugees, too. Sent them back to die.
aquart
Feb 2013
#180
WWII was about getting a nation to surrender. The drones are not about getting to surrender.
HereSince1628
Feb 2013
#64
First of all, anyone old enough to remember World War II at all is 73 years old
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2013
#76
It's less awful for 20,000 innocents to die than for multiples of that to die.
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#98
If we can't agree on something as simple as fewer deaths is better than more deaths,
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#100
Are carpet bombing or extrajudicial assasinations our only two options here?
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#102
Drone strikes kill far, far fewer people, and cause comparatively minimal physical damage.
baldguy
Feb 2013
#97
Everybody seems to think it's not so bad because the numbers are fewer? Really? I'm seeing this
Cleita
Feb 2013
#111
Please spell out the process for arresting someone who's hiding out in a region of the world
baldguy
Feb 2013
#137
So you don't think neighboring countries could send in investigators into places like
Cleita
Feb 2013
#154
I think the other question is whether it was effective in ending the war more quickly...
CTyankee
Feb 2013
#114
It is always a risk and has happened. But the fact is that the Germans today don't
CTyankee
Feb 2013
#120
This line of thought always makes me uncomfortable. What happened in Japan and
CTyankee
Feb 2013
#125
So let's put a few war criminals on trial for a start, for setting up torture camps
just1voice
Feb 2013
#117
I agree and I'm still of the hope that our war criminals will be brought to justice in the future.
Cleita
Feb 2013
#119
No it isn't. Jeebus. Arithmetic tells us that one lost life is preferable to
geek tragedy
Feb 2013
#128
There is no version here. It's a universal that murder is wrong. Every tribe, religion and nation in
Cleita
Feb 2013
#135
Hmmm.... The Inquisition comes to mind. Also, Aztec human sacrifice (16th C.).
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#140
I agree! As we have clearly seen in many ways, mankind perverts religion for power.
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#197
They don't. Not really. Maybe some institutions like religions sanction it, but
Cleita
Feb 2013
#162
I gave you a source and many who study the Aztecs don't agree with you considering much
Cleita
Feb 2013
#199
Well, there is that little matter of orders of magnitude less infrastructure
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#131
What I really think is that instead of considering dealing with terrorists as a police action,
Cleita
Feb 2013
#171
The Allies leveled Dresden indiscriminately. Drone strikes damage individual targets. nt
bluestate10
Feb 2013
#172
There is one enormous, undeniable, irrefutable, incontrovertible difference....
DreamGypsy
Feb 2013
#212
No nor can you change what happened at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, My Lai and Falluja,
Cleita
Feb 2013
#213