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In the discussion thread: Pregnant Texas teen files suit against parents in abortion feud [View all]

Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #107)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:33 PM

111. I agree with you in principle

Although if this father is just some 16-17 year old kid, there may not be much that he will realistically be able to do, save for whatever wages come from flipping burgers.

Usually in such situations the "father" dumps the girl, and makes so little money that it is not worthwhile to come after him for money. And then of course, the girl's family ends up shouldering much of the financial burden.

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174 replies	Author	Time	Post
Pregnant Texas teen files suit against parents in abortion feud [View all]	SpankMe	Feb 2013	OP
I am hoping that your last sentence proves correct.	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2013	#1
In a rational world	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 2013	#2
It is her body and her choice	bluestateguy	Feb 2013	#3
Husbands also insist. One example, woman takes pill for many years to not have a child as they work.	freshwest	Feb 2013	#59
I know of a case where this type of thing happened in a very LIBERAL marriage.	CTyankee	Feb 2013	#164
I am pro-choice. If this girl wants to keep her baby then she should be able to. However,	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#107
I agree with you in principle	bluestateguy	Feb 2013	#111
That is sad. My son had a child out of wedlock and eventually married the girl. He	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#158
She doesn't necessarily want to keep it	marshall	Feb 2013	#153
If she wants to give it up for adoption that is fine. However, her parents should be responsible	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#156
Why are her parents responsible?	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#160
Totally agree	theHandpuppet	Feb 2013	#161
That's their choice	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#163
Because a 16 yr old is usually still in school and I know that the girls parents always	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#165
That's their choice	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#166
I wasn't talking about 18 yr old. Am talking about 16 yr old who are most likely still	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#167
I'm wondering if she realizes	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#168
I don't know. But good parents will likely take up the slack.	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#169
That wouldn't teach her a lesson	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#172
Well your twin is wise to do that. But you are talking about innocent baby who didn't	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#173
Let me ask you this. What if it were your grandchild? Could you give it up?	southernyankeebelle	Feb 2013	#174
My brother went through this with his girlfriend	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#4
She should be allowed to have this baby if she wants	ck4829	Feb 2013	#5
And who will support the baby? And new mother?	marybourg	Feb 2013	#10
She could give the child up for adoption	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#14
And what if she doesn't want to do that either?	marybourg	Feb 2013	#16
It's her choice, marybourg!	Fantastic Anarchist	Feb 2013	#53
She needs to put on her big girl pants and support that child herself. If she can't,	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#98
Yes, yes, and yes. n/t	KarenS	Feb 2013	#103
+1 nt	Selatius	Feb 2013	#154
Then she's going to grow up - very fast	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#159
exactly. judgment is what the right does. We fight for freedom not judgment.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#15
You have valid points but they still all go with the pregnant teen's CHOICE. nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#17
Valid points.	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#21
I wasn't disagreeing with her choice. I was	marybourg	Feb 2013	#24
Forcing her to have an abortion she	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#41
This is not going to be a popular opinion but I believe it is my job to raise	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#43
^exactly this	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#49
Good response. This is what I decided when my 16 yo daughter told me she was pregnant.	Arkansas Granny	Feb 2013	#62
that's the way it should be. I'm glad you have such love in your life.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#67
I agree with you, popular opinion or not.	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2013	#70
I did not make a distinct choice to raise my unwed teenage daughter's child	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2013	#74
I'm talking about the choice of the parent to have the child (who later ends up pregnant)	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#76
The poster you were replying to was speaking from that angle.	Sheldon Cooper	Feb 2013	#79
But	get the red out	Feb 2013	#124
I totally agree. It's why I caution my 14-year-old son quite often.	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#125
+1. Absolutely nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#127
"And who will support the baby? And new mother?"	NCTraveler	Feb 2013	#51
You can't allow "social concerns" to outweigh an individuals right to self-determination	Xithras	Feb 2013	#52
Those are certainly all fair questions	bluestateguy	Feb 2013	#60
I will, with my tax dollars.	Iggo	Feb 2013	#69
me too. gladly.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#72
Me too.	LittleBlue	Feb 2013	#171
Taxpayers. Moral taxpayers, that is.	Zoeisright	Feb 2013	#97
One thing we know for certain	xxqqqzme	Feb 2013	#102
These things are not at issue	treestar	Feb 2013	#116
The choice is hers BUT	get the red out	Feb 2013	#123
not sure what welfare laws are if you are a minor living with parents	JI7	Feb 2013	#130
what about a 16 y.o.s choice to drink alchohol, drive a car own a firearm	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#11
It is HER body	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#50
Then it is entirely incumbent upon this young girl to divorce herself legally from her parents.	KittyWampus	Feb 2013	#63
i said the same thing and was called a republican for it	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#66
So, we should only have children for the good times?	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#82
So, just toss her out?	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#90
I agree with you there	HockeyMom	Feb 2013	#106
Her parents shouldn't be responsible, but they are, legally til this girl is 18 yrs old. nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#110
so does that mean if she rode a bicycle without a helmet they could say	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#117
I've already said downthread and upthread I agree with you. nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#118
Unless she is declared Emancipated Minor	HockeyMom	Feb 2013	#119
The parents bear part of the responsibility for this pregnancy, IMHO,	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#108
she doesn't live with her parents it said as much in the article	azurnoir	Feb 2013	#115
I am not disagreeing	tblue	Feb 2013	#92
It is not about a 10 year old, it is about a 16 year old	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#95
I know that.	tblue	Feb 2013	#138
When you force a young woman to do something like this you create great harm	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#141
Of course. Marra_G. I am NOT saying force this woman to do anything.	tblue	Feb 2013	#148
Oh good... I'm sorry that I misjudged what you were saying	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#149
+ 100	Auntie Bush	Feb 2013	#58
Her body her choice.	JaneyVee	Feb 2013	#6
I think it's wrong of the girl's	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#7
If you search elsewhere in your media you will find	dipsydoodle	Feb 2013	#19
This is the point I've always tried to make - that choice thing works both ways!!	SaveAmerica	Feb 2013	#8
hear, hear!	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#12
Good for her.	MadrasT	Feb 2013	#9
when does a girl become a woman	snooper2	Feb 2013	#20
you'd have to define woman - just so not to be sexist. the same can be said about boy to man	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#22
that's what laws are for right?	snooper2	Feb 2013	#23
im not sure what you mean. the law says you're not really able to make your own decisions	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#27
16 and 17 year olds get jobs, get apartments, and even get tried as adults if they commit	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#29
they get jobs with workers permits (or have they been done away with)	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#33
I have friends who have had babies at 17 and have gone out on their own	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#36
ok but that's not what we're talking about	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#73
If her parents don't want to help raise the child they can tell her to get out	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#77
Actually that's not true. Parents are legally responsible for minor children til they are 18 yrs old	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#86
It happens everyday. I know friends who have been kicked out for being pregnant.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#89
I understand. But if this child is already seeking legal redress against her parents,	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#96
Maybe. Maybe not. All she is doing right now is suing for the right to have the child.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#99
Doesn't change the law - the parents are responsible for this girl.	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	avebury	Feb 2013	#145
Yep, and I know one who had a baby at nineteen, and	juajen	Feb 2013	#134
So when can a 14-15-16-17 year old decide she wants an abortion	snooper2	Feb 2013	#30
when she's out of the nest and on her own, paying her own bills -	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#37
sorry but that sounds like republican talk to me	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#42
your situation is not the situation being discussed	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#57
You do realize you are arguing for parents to deny a 16-year-old the	joeybee12	Feb 2013	#32
I haven't taken any side in this case...	snooper2	Feb 2013	#35
I realize that...but if you say she has no right to decide to keep the child;	joeybee12	Feb 2013	#38
of course....	snooper2	Feb 2013	#39
There's lots to consider...and terminating a preganncy is not	joeybee12	Feb 2013	#40
+1	Hell Hath No Fury	Feb 2013	#31
She should be able to make her own choice	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#13
but she is not ON her own and HER decision will affect and involve everyone around her	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#26
Some people here seem to forget that very important fact: she is not alone on her own	BlueCaliDem	Feb 2013	#44
agreed	leftyohiolib	Feb 2013	#68
Agreed! I know many women who are raising their grandchildren.	queenjane	Feb 2013	#88
As I said upthread--then perhaps her parents should reconsider their own choice to have a child.	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#46
I agree 100%.	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#56
You don't know that mom (and dad) didn't do that.	Mariana	Feb 2013	#71
A frank talk about the	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#80
And what if during a frank talk	Mariana	Feb 2013	#105
Exactly!	phylny	Feb 2013	#150
+ 5 brazillion	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#112
+1	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#64
But we deal with them-since we are the adults- we	marybourg	Feb 2013	#81
Sorry, but I didn't have my kids only for the stress-free moments.	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 2013	#84
my dad still helps all of us whenever we need help	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#85
And that's his choice	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#162
That doesn't matter	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#47
I agree 100%.	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#48
That doesn't MATTER? How many people are you prepared to support for 21 years without	marybourg	Feb 2013	#83
It is HER choice, HER body, HER choice!	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#93
I gladly pay taxes to help people in these exact situations	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#94
I think you mean 18 years. Once 18, no one has any obligation to him/her anymore.	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#114
Varies by state.	marybourg	Feb 2013	#120
It does. In TX however, where this case is, it's 18 years old. Other states its 21 yrs old. nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#126
There are states where one is NOT legally an adult at 18??? Do tell - link, please.	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#128
Here's one link that deals with illegal behavior - Nebraska parents are responsible til 19 yrs old	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#137
Actually it would be less then two years	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#142
She may be eligible for assistance	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#55
thank you for the service you provide	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#61
Thank you too.	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#65
An excellent case of "be careful what you wish for" for the anti-choicers.	2ndAmForComputers	Feb 2013	#25
good for her. How can you force someone to have an abortion?	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#28
This setup smells.	Archae	Feb 2013	#34
So the anti-abortion group is pro-choice.	progressoid	Feb 2013	#45
Her body, her choice. That is what Pro-CHOICE means. nt	Dreamer Tatum	Feb 2013	#54
It is HER choice, just as it would be if she wanted an abortion and her parents opposed it.	NYC Liberal	Feb 2013	#75
Her body, her choice. The situation or group helping her	Dash87	Feb 2013	#78
I have to concur that she should be able to choose whether or not	Proud Liberal Dem	Feb 2013	#87
All legal theories are convenient.	aikoaiko	Feb 2013	#91
Right to choose also means she can choose to have the child	davidn3600	Feb 2013	#100
I have based arguments on this exact scenario against parental notification	loyalsister	Feb 2013	#101
Three very very telling snips from the article that lead me to believe this is BS+	azurnoir	Feb 2013	#104
That's what I got reading this. Completely fabricated bullshit from the anti-choice scum.	Egalitarian Thug	Feb 2013	#121
yep and it sounds as if perhaps the anti-choicers	azurnoir	Feb 2013	#132
Exactly. The republicans and their Corporate Dem allies favorite division issue. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Feb 2013	#136
Pro Choice means it is her choice. But, supporting the child is	kiranon	Feb 2013	#131
sounds more like it'll fall on her Grandparents	azurnoir	Feb 2013	#135
They can't	treestar	Feb 2013	#113
I smell total BS	LeftInTX	Feb 2013	#122
I wonder if her parents	Politicalboi	Feb 2013	#129
Our 17-year old daughter got pregnant	riqster	Feb 2013	#133
The girl does not need an abortion as much as she	avebury	Feb 2013	#139
Denise is the 16 year old girl's mother, not the 16 year old herself	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#143
If the girl decides to give the baby up	avebury	Feb 2013	#147
I have to laugh at the responses in this thread.	Le Taz Hot	Feb 2013	#140
I defend the right to choose	Marrah_G	Feb 2013	#144
I'm just constantly amazed	Le Taz Hot	Feb 2013	#146
I do not think those people advocated legal action toward Dugger.	joshcryer	Feb 2013	#151
Actually, they advocated	Le Taz Hot	Feb 2013	#152
If that is so that is unfortunate.	joshcryer	Feb 2013	#155
That personal opinion	Le Taz Hot	Feb 2013	#157
It's her body, her choice. Period	LittleBlue	Feb 2013	#170

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