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I'd say anyone who's killed multiple sharp_stick Feb 2013 #1
They had acheived containment, but had no patience. HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #14
why would they have patience? for what reason? patience? really? robinlynne Feb 2013 #136
who needs the rule of law? it's so archaic.. frylock Feb 2013 #177
No. I dont mean that. But we all suspected he would not be arrested alive. robinlynne Feb 2013 #183
You're right. Light House Feb 2013 #192
And law enforcement made it perfectly clear with their first ambush on a citizen notadmblnd Feb 2013 #235
Dorner could have, during his week while on the run, Light House Feb 2013 #239
C'mon, they're all members of the same damn club notadmblnd Feb 2013 #244
Oh really? Light House Feb 2013 #248
he never would have made it to any police station notadmblnd Feb 2013 #250
What do you mean he wouldn't have made it to any police station? Light House Feb 2013 #253
I think you give him too much credit notadmblnd Feb 2013 #254
You may very well be right about the police never allowing him to surrender, Light House Feb 2013 #255
In the interest of the concept of minimal damage if nothing else HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #210
Exactly - they could have waited him out. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #41
This guy wasn't going to surrender sharp_stick Feb 2013 #73
He would have surrendered, or killed himself eventually. bvar22 Feb 2013 #135
He was trapped in the cabin, and they had control over his water supply. jeff47 Feb 2013 #226
You do know that the word burner Light House Feb 2013 #148
There are different types of teargas cannisters. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #173
You are exactly right. Light House Feb 2013 #176
I don't think it was the LAPD that lobbed the teargas in. randome Feb 2013 #182
If it wasn't LAPD, who was it? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #186
The area is not in Los Angeles, or La County. It is east of LA. another city. in another county. robinlynne Feb 2013 #188
'Burners' is another term for 'incendiary teargas canisters'. randome Feb 2013 #193
I know that. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #197
Oh, I thought they were making room for these folks to come in.... jberryhill Feb 2013 #203
what is the story behind this photo? robinlynne Feb 2013 #207
Behind that photo is the other side of your monitor screen jberryhill Feb 2013 #208
ahh. burning man. I did not get the reference. robinlynne Feb 2013 #209
San Bernardino County Sheriffs Dept., Light House Feb 2013 #195
Fair answer. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #205
LAPD werent there. San Bernardino Sheriffs were there. robinlynne Feb 2013 #187
The police don't get to convict people for murder tinrobot Feb 2013 #238
He had multiple chances to surrender sharp_stick Feb 2013 #268
We don't know the cause of death tinrobot Feb 2013 #272
NO riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #251
He was contained and he was imminent threat out in the middle of nowhere? LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #294
"My guess is Dorner was already dead when they fired off the teargas." jberryhill Feb 2013 #2
Not the short straw sharp_stick Feb 2013 #8
why not just hold off on drastic action? cali Feb 2013 #17
Until the dead guy comes out? jberryhill Feb 2013 #21
They'd already torn down the walls of the cabin cali Feb 2013 #27
Yeah, they don't have robots for stuff like that or anything. beevul Feb 2013 #128
Those are more limited than you apparently think jberryhill Feb 2013 #129
So, explain, how limited are they? beevul Feb 2013 #154
Shit, there was someone here the other day asking if Dorner deserved trial... Earth_First Feb 2013 #3
But...but...he's an EEEEVILDOER!!!!! Taverner Feb 2013 #57
I doubt too many people associated with those he murdered are going to lose sleep over this dlwickham Feb 2013 #123
He deserved atrial like anyone else treestar Feb 2013 #142
It's not clear that the authorities torched the cabin NV Whino Feb 2013 #4
Or indirectly started by the tear gas canister exploding. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #15
I think they used some kind of incendiary device marions ghost Feb 2013 #45
Damn Skippy. nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #59
We agree marions ghost Feb 2013 #178
There is video of them saying they were going to torch the cabin and burn the MF out. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #67
We can't KNOW that! Even though they said they were going to, and then it happened. And there's Marr Feb 2013 #113
Or shot himself, then set the.... louis-t Feb 2013 #81
What do you mean it's not clear who torched the cabin? DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #278
Torching the cabin is one thing... liberalmuse Feb 2013 #5
They intentionally burned the cabin? Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #6
There are several threads from yesterday with video of them in the background Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #215
Are these the threads you meant? countryjake Feb 2013 #237
Here is a thread I just ran across Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #219
There are two or more links to the scanner traffic audio... countryjake Feb 2013 #233
Thank you for posting this. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #279
I think the Dpm12 Feb 2013 #7
Reason? Yes. Legitimate? That's pushing the issue. immoderate Feb 2013 #36
Yeah, who cares about due process. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #48
No, they didn't. They had a legitimate reason to tear gas the guy. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #79
lemme guess. you're white middle class without a care in the world.. frylock Feb 2013 #184
I don't think there's any question they wanted to summarily execute him if given the opportunity Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #9
That was a BIG mistake. Reno 911 comes to mind. marions ghost Feb 2013 #52
Well said cali. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10
+1000. Light House Feb 2013 #18
I don't even think it was the LAPD that made the decision, was it? randome Feb 2013 #19
Perhaps not...but you can be sure they influenced it. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #23
This was NOT LAPD!! longship Feb 2013 #90
And you think LAPD has no influence there? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #92
Repeat. Not LAPD. nt longship Feb 2013 #94
Right. Light House Feb 2013 #102
Okay...so CA Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #117
The use of deadly force was appropriate. longship Feb 2013 #122
We disagree on Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #133
"We don't yet know if he was firing on LE from the cabin." longship Feb 2013 #149
They were shot before he got to this cabin, I believe.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #158
It's the rules of engagement of which Dorner was aware. longship Feb 2013 #180
All the more reason to not burn down the cabin... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #194
It all comes down to the fact that Dorner Light House Feb 2013 #198
No apology necessary. longship Feb 2013 #200
"seems to think force is always the answer" jberryhill Feb 2013 #201
Oh, I think there are many who do... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #212
Tell the 4 people whom the LAPD almost killed in the previous days about the rules of engagement. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #282
The LAPD had nothing to do with Big Bear. longship Feb 2013 #296
You didn't fact check anything, you aren't even sure of your own opinion! DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #298
I would welcome your correction, if you have one. longship Feb 2013 #300
They ordered the helicopters to stand off specifically so they could ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #11
You don't know that and no, I don't see the cops on the scene as being as bad as Dorner cali Feb 2013 #22
He had the opportunity to come out of the cabin too marions ghost Feb 2013 #65
I don't know if you knew this, but fire kills people Scootaloo Feb 2013 #96
Link to DUer saying that, please jberryhill Feb 2013 #104
Do you support the police setting the cabin on fire? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #106
I doubt they did that deliberately. randome Feb 2013 #109
As I said, I don't know if they did or not Scootaloo Feb 2013 #112
They burned the place AFTER they pulled the walls down? RC Feb 2013 #167
Right now, it appears it was the teargas that started the fire. randome Feb 2013 #168
I don't even support the death penalty jberryhill Feb 2013 #110
Anything involving a cop is "lawful" since the other option is the cops turning against the citizens Scootaloo Feb 2013 #116
I agree with you the fire should never have been oldbanjo Feb 2013 #157
Actually, Light House Feb 2013 #115
He was a cop. I think it was speaking his language. marions ghost Feb 2013 #120
He may have simply assumed they were redecorating jberryhill Feb 2013 #121
Or to make it easier for the pizza delivery guy! randome Feb 2013 #125
That and the aromatherapy jberryhill Feb 2013 #127
They had to tear big holes so they could get the burners in the cabin. oldbanjo Feb 2013 #162
'Burners' is another term for 'incendiary teargas canisters'. randome Feb 2013 #165
Yes it was tear gas. Light House Feb 2013 #171
Yes, that absolutely is what you're saying Scootaloo Feb 2013 #126
No way do I think that the police are always right marions ghost Feb 2013 #137
Didn't the tear gas cause the conflagration? With exploding ammo, etc? randome Feb 2013 #12
Well they did say burn it: The Straight Story Feb 2013 #20
Apparently 'burners' is also a term used for 'incendiary teargas cannisters'. randome Feb 2013 #37
You're right. Light House Feb 2013 #66
Why the need to use INCENDIARY teargas canisters? Are they available in a kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #86
As far as I know, Light House Feb 2013 #118
I don't know the answer to that one. randome Feb 2013 #119
Yes, there are "non-incendiary" tear gas canisters. jeff47 Feb 2013 #227
I don't have enough facts to make a determination one way or another. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #13
The question should be did they INTENTIONALLY torch the cabin or Lurks Often Feb 2013 #16
Here's the line, btw jberryhill Feb 2013 #25
Strawman Crepuscular Feb 2013 #28
The Constitution doesn't require "being shot at" jberryhill Feb 2013 #33
irrelevent Crepuscular Feb 2013 #46
"it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force" jberryhill Feb 2013 #51
So there should be no limitation? Crepuscular Feb 2013 #63
It would seem that it does require deadly force to be the last resort. beevul Feb 2013 #159
Or, you could look at the legal history of words like "necessary" jberryhill Feb 2013 #164
So much that just isn't reality in your post. beevul Feb 2013 #181
Oh it can't, can it? jberryhill Feb 2013 #204
That provides some needed perspective. Thanks. randome Feb 2013 #30
Ok, thanks n/t Lurks Often Feb 2013 #49
If that's the case they shouldn't have a problem admitting it. n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #71
The story was... Benton D Struckcheon Feb 2013 #34
I believe the cops deliberately torched it marions ghost Feb 2013 #76
+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #88
Civilian Tear Gas Would Not Start A Fire DallasNE Feb 2013 #202
From the radio communication: They torched the place, tear gas canister starting the fire is bogus, arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #24
It's just your opinion that they purposely torched the place. Light House Feb 2013 #29
"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire." .... arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #35
See post #37 about the term 'burners'. randome Feb 2013 #39
You are right. Light House Feb 2013 #40
The term "burners" is slang for tear gas Light House Feb 2013 #72
Ya, I was just reading about that and it arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #131
This whole incident is tragic. Light House Feb 2013 #138
I couldn't agree more or have said it better! arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #141
I am going to venture a guess that any official report GObamaGO Feb 2013 #174
Given what we've seen before, Light House Feb 2013 #179
Anybody who knows anything about tear gas canisters ...... oldhippie Feb 2013 #42
According Crepuscular Feb 2013 #26
From things I've read this was not madmom Feb 2013 #31
A police operation like this should never be about "being entitled to react" cali Feb 2013 #38
"... specifically the LAPD..." madmom Feb 2013 #93
There could have been hostages in there... indie9197 Feb 2013 #32
No one had any of these moral or ethical issues about Dykes last week. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #43
Or about "Kai the Hitchhiker" jberryhill Feb 2013 #54
I don't think he killed the dude, just batted him on the head a few times, no? randome Feb 2013 #61
2:47 "So, he's dead. Good." jberryhill Feb 2013 #98
He didn't kill him, he whacked him in the head DURING AN ATTACK ON A WOMAN. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #91
So Kai is a liar now? jberryhill Feb 2013 #101
I'm not going to watch a video at work but I did not know that. randome Feb 2013 #114
As every knows, when beating someone on the head with a hatchet... jberryhill Feb 2013 #124
I don't know that I would take his comment as proof that the guy is dead. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #196
But here you have Kai... jberryhill Feb 2013 #199
I doubt that LAPD had much to do with the final phase FarCenter Feb 2013 #44
How in the world can you claim he didn't pose a threat? LisaL Feb 2013 #47
He was contained. cali Feb 2013 #53
...and trained in escape and evasion jberryhill Feb 2013 #55
really? he was going to escape from a heavily surrounded cabin with no wall? Please cali Feb 2013 #69
At night, in the woods. Stranger things happen every minute. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #80
If only our police had some sort of "night-vision" equipment. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #232
Which doesn't see through smoke. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #234
Well, perhaps then the police shouldn't have set a fire. jeff47 Feb 2013 #240
Fire fighting equipment was on hand in case it spread. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #241
That's right. Light House Feb 2013 #243
Some people just can't stand the thought of the state using violence against anyone geek tragedy Feb 2013 #245
So let him shoot himself. jeff47 Feb 2013 #247
Well, except the danger wasn't going to go away and it would in fact get more dangerous at night geek tragedy Feb 2013 #249
There's plenty of people claiming they won't be taken alive jeff47 Feb 2013 #252
How many people has Ted Nugent killed when they tried to arrest him? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #256
And? He still presumably had guns. LisaL Feb 2013 #56
How would anyone 'contain' him? randome Feb 2013 #58
you do know the police often use floodlights, right? And the cabin walls had been torn down cali Feb 2013 #74
Floodlights work a lot better on city blocks than in the woods. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #82
Says you safely behind your computer. LisaL Feb 2013 #83
Supposedly with a .50 caliber sniper rifle... Coyote_Tan Feb 2013 #68
cali. Dorner had a .50-caliber sniper rifle NNN0LHI Feb 2013 #100
I agree with you and I think you are brave to say it. Not afraid to be called a murder "apologist". rhett o rick Feb 2013 #50
There was a lot of murder happening yesterday. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #64
"Wrong" is so relative. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #60
WAIT MFM008 Feb 2013 #62
Finding the driver's license is weird. Lex Feb 2013 #70
If the DL was in a wallet, as it seems to be the case, Light House Feb 2013 #75
I want that kind of wallet! nt Lex Feb 2013 #99
If the wallet was closed, and I'm just guessing that it was, Light House Feb 2013 #107
Torching it was indeed wrong. We are a nation of laws and our law ENFORCEMENT people are bound by kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #77
How is this not law? jberryhill Feb 2013 #103
Yep. Use of deadly force sounds perfectly legal to me. LisaL Feb 2013 #111
Has anyone established that ... beevul Feb 2013 #152
Read the rest of the thread, please. randome Feb 2013 #156
It doesn't matter what he "was". beevul Feb 2013 #161
I don't get you. randome Feb 2013 #163
"Pause". beevul Feb 2013 #172
They went overboard on the use of incendiary tear gas, but under geek tragedy Feb 2013 #78
What the heck did this guy know? midnight Feb 2013 #84
Maybe that we never actually sent men to the Moon. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #87
If they intentionally torched the cabin get the red out Feb 2013 #85
Dunno marions ghost Feb 2013 #105
They send it tear gas. LisaL Feb 2013 #108
cabin walls being torn down? IcyPeas Feb 2013 #89
I don't think that makes any sense either. LisaL Feb 2013 #97
They were using an armored vehicle. Light House Feb 2013 #155
k/r PM Martin Feb 2013 #95
they were going to kill him instead of capture him RILib Feb 2013 #130
That story does not mesh with the video tapes. (one single bullet, walls coming down, etc.) robinlynne Feb 2013 #132
We are a nation of laws w/explicit rights to juries & prohibitions against cruel&unusual punishments DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #134
What America are you living in? marions ghost Feb 2013 #140
Once you surrender treestar Feb 2013 #144
Inane non sequitur is inane. You are awarded no points. nt DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #146
You had the non sequitur treestar Feb 2013 #206
Except you're leaving out the part were they never had any intention to take him alive. DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #214
Only they know what was in their minds treestar Feb 2013 #273
Yes, Light House Feb 2013 #190
Our rights don't work they way you think they do. DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #216
You have me confused with someone else. Light House Feb 2013 #218
I dont think this was ever going to be a turn the other cheek situation. he shot police family. robinlynne Feb 2013 #139
I didn't get a chance to respond to you in the thread that was locked, but.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #225
interesting. robinlynne Feb 2013 #229
Did you see any of the CBS video? Historic NY Feb 2013 #143
Oh-Oh, Cali. NOW you have done it! bvar22 Feb 2013 #145
This mess has really brought out the blood-thirsty, hasn't it? nt DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #151
If you'll read the rest of this thread, you'll see that it's not a black & white issue for most. randome Feb 2013 #153
Where are all these blood-lusting mobs of death-mongers I keep hearing about? great white snark Feb 2013 #170
I would always have preferred Dorner to be taken alive. randome Feb 2013 #175
The mob will now swarm after her. It's wild to watch. myrna minx Feb 2013 #169
not even close, this post is different from the others which are rightly being criticized as JI7 Feb 2013 #191
What we had there was a failure to communicate... countryjake Feb 2013 #147
I would have liked to have this guy in custody myself.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #150
If Dorner was in there armed austinlw Feb 2013 #160
The cops did not want to have to deal with this man after dark.. I don't blame them.... secondwind Feb 2013 #166
It is their job to deal with dangerous people and situations . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #220
So the police torched it? rightsideout Feb 2013 #185
This Reminded Me Of Police Torching The Symbionese Liberation Army Safehouse DallasNE Feb 2013 #189
Don't forget THIS one: bvar22 Feb 2013 #213
At this point, are they even sure what caused the fire? lynne Feb 2013 #211
On radio scanners, the police talked about deploying "burners" which are separate... DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #217
They are not separate from tear gas. Light House Feb 2013 #223
I can't find any reference outside of this event showing "burner" to be slang for teargas... DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #258
I speak from experience. Light House Feb 2013 #259
And again, I can find no reference to this "slang" outside this incident. Highly unlikely it'd go... DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #260
Go ahead and belive what you want, Light House Feb 2013 #261
"This is an internal thing." Ooo, pulling the "secret knowledge" card. Right. You do know slang is DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #263
Here is a link. randome Feb 2013 #267
Tenuous at best, reads like the officer confused the two but I'm not going to continue on slang. DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #270
You were proven wrong and you call it tenuous? Light House Feb 2013 #271
Yes, I call it tenuous. The quote is oddly phrased and given only one example out of how many years? DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #285
Does anyone know Go Vols Feb 2013 #221
No, they are not as effective as the pyrotechnic type tear gas cannister. Light House Feb 2013 #224
a bit more info here: steve2470 Feb 2013 #222
I would have loved to see the commentary on THIS forum when Waco was 'torched'...indeed. Purveyor Feb 2013 #228
on THIS forum? Which forum are you from? robinlynne Feb 2013 #230
Back then...I wasn't on a 'forum' and just what are you suggesting Robinlynne? eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #257
Of course - Dornan had a Constitutional right to kill more people. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2013 #231
Of course that's not even close to what I said, but you know that which cali Feb 2013 #264
In all the coverage, I have yet to hear from anyone in the mental health field. Coyotl Feb 2013 #236
A cop went to arrest him and take him to a mental health check-up and Dorner killed him. cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #274
Thanks for reinforcing my point. Shooting the mentally ill if they pose a threat Coyotl Feb 2013 #275
He didn't "pose a threat" - he actually killed people. If there was any chance he would kill someone cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #287
I oppose killing mental patients. Coyotl Feb 2013 #305
I oppose mental patients killing innocent people more than I oppose killing mental patients who are cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #306
The LAPD almost killed an additional 4 people in their rush murder Dorner. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #281
I didn't hear about other people being in the cabin. Link?? cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #288
I'm talking about the people the LAPD attacked several days ago while looking for Dorner. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #291
I think we all agree that they shouldn't have shot at those people.... cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #307
That's right we're talking about them burning down the cabin, and their previous action speak to DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #308
Dorner wanted to go out this way... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #242
The whole cabin thing was taking a way too long rightsideout Feb 2013 #246
On top of all the other problems, the strategy the cops used at that cabin was extremely reckless. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #262
This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Feb 2013 #265
It definitely was wrong ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #266
You are correct. They should have used a bazooka or missile launcher.... cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #269
Torching Dorner's cabin was not only wrong, it was murder. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #276
It wasn't "Dorner's cabin," for openers Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #277
So now you want to split hairs over the way I identified the cabin, that's petty! DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #280
Due process? You mean because he surrendered? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #283
The two cops he shot were several hours prior to the police murdering him. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #284
I don't really care. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #286
That's right, fuck Dorner, and fuck the LAPD organization or criminals and murderers. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #290
Not brave enough to condemn him without condemning them, huh? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #293
Not brave enough? You mean not brave enough to ignore one murderous organization while condemning DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #295
Judge, jury and executioner? Light House Feb 2013 #289
This is a case of murderers murdering a murderer. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #292
+1 darkangel218 Feb 2013 #299
I'll say it again Light House Feb 2013 #302
It wasnt the police bussiness to punish and torture him. darkangel218 Feb 2013 #297
Crap. Light House Feb 2013 #301
How do you know he offed himself?? darkangel218 Feb 2013 #303
No, I don't know for sure that he offed himself, Light House Feb 2013 #304
You conveniently ignore the other murderous party to these events, the police! DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #309
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