Reply #154

In the discussion thread: Dorner admitted to killings, targeting lesbians for being 'misandrist' and defended Chick Fil-A [View all]

Response to dkf (Reply #153)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:42 PM

morningfog (4,158 posts)

154. He was not found guilty of lying in a court.

His suit challenging the Board's findings failed. The courts were asking if there was sufficient evidence before the board to support their findings. They held there was. Evidentiary standards before an administrative body are not the same as a criminal charge. You confused the issue.

He has not been found "guilty" of being a liar. Words have specific meaning. I see the point you were trying to make, you just missed the mark.

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171 replies	Author	Time	Post
Dorner admitted to killings, targeting lesbians for being 'misandrist' and defended Chick Fil-A [View all]	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	OP
The CTers have that covered already...	zappaman	Feb 2013	#1
Wow. I knew he was a loon but I didn't know HOW looney.	randome	Feb 2013	#2
If you wade through the babbling, you get gems like	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#3
"Yeah, just be an asshole like	Cha	Feb 2013	#12
From the manifesto	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#14
Oh no..	Cha	Feb 2013	#17
makes it easy to gun him down and carry on	tiny elvis	Feb 2013	#129
He is a sick man. nt	SunSeeker	Feb 2013	#4
I don't think anyone is arguing he is a good guy or saint	quinnox	Feb 2013	#5
Plenty of people raising doubt as to whether he's actually killed anyone.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#6
That reminds me of the fox routine of "some people."	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2013	#20
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept, not one that applies	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#23
I prefer a country where this is understood.	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2013	#29
I do not defend the indefensible re: LAPD or Torrance.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#32
Lots of people claiming it's not his fault, that he was pushed into	cali	Feb 2013	#7
The same people who will claim to know WHY he killed will then turn around	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#9
That's a common one	RZM	Feb 2013	#27
Typical conversation:	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#30
It's called moral hedging.	Eleanors38	Feb 2013	#151
A Chick Fil A defender, wha wha wha? Send in the Hellfire Drones	NightWatcher	Feb 2013	#8
He says he's wants to "reclaim my name"..?!	LeftinOH	Feb 2013	#10
"I'm a murderer, not a filer of false reports!" nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#11
Written confessions don't really prove anything	RedCappedBandit	Feb 2013	#13
Did you read what you wrote?	Dreamer Tatum	Feb 2013	#16
We will never know anything for certain	RedCappedBandit	Feb 2013	#48
The part where it said "I'm not sure, but I'm sure." nt	Dreamer Tatum	Feb 2013	#49
Can't prove evolution with 100% certainty.	RedCappedBandit	Feb 2013	#51
Comparing a known fact to a theory. Good one, Dr. Logic.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#103
Yes, thank you.	RedCappedBandit	Feb 2013	#127
Facebook posts are not admissible as criminal evidence.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#91
Not if the author admits to his authorship.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#104
Sure, under oath. If they have a defense lawyer worth a damn, they won't.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#106
He'd best not at any time, under oath or not, if he wants the prosecutor not to bring it up.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#110
They get used against people routinely.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#148
Will you next argue that we are all in a cave and "know" only shadows?	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#112
I was wavering on Dorner until you mentioned Chick-Fil-A. That's a game changer.	Comrade Grumpy	Feb 2013	#15
Well, there is the part where he talks about his plan to kill children	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#18
LOL. Nicely done	RZM	Feb 2013	#31
If what the presumed guilty writes abolishes their legal presumption of innocence prior to trial,	Occulus	Feb 2013	#19
The presumption of innocence means that the state can't punish you	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#24
On the contrary; to prospective jurors, that's exactly what it must mean	Occulus	Feb 2013	#57
I am not a potential juror. Could you serve on Dick Cheney's jury	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#62
Niiiiice.	Zoeisright	Feb 2013	#95
Irony is this entire vendetta is because he refutes being found guilty of being a liar	dkf	Feb 2013	#137
presumption of innocence is a legal concept. No one is saying that Dorner shouldn't have	cali	Feb 2013	#25
Holy crap. This guy makes the Unabomber look sane by comparison.	Initech	Feb 2013	#21
Yeah, well.	sibelian	Feb 2013	#22
i can't believe people think this guy has any credibility	JI7	Feb 2013	#26
Well, they simultaneously argue:	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#28
He admitted to murder so it's the LAPD's job to	abelenkpe	Feb 2013	#33
The LAPD doing its job on a number of fronts would be a welcome	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#34
So true! nt	abelenkpe	Feb 2013	#35
NONE of which justifies his extrajudicial killing by any LEO. ALL accused in the US are	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#36
There's a world of difference between "due process must be followed"	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#38
Well, let me tell you that the law does not allow for fugitives to claim due process rights	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#55
Who precisely is stating he should be denied due process by the courts?	LanternWaste	Feb 2013	#132
One does not have to be sane, nor a saint to be a whistleblower	jeff47	Feb 2013	#37
If he'll let himself be captured.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#39
At this point, he seems to mostly be running	jeff47	Feb 2013	#41
If you read his manifesto, he repeatedly says he's not afraid to die,	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#42
Sure, he wrote that. But he's not charging towards the cops guns blazing (nt)	jeff47	Feb 2013	#45
He is already accused of killing a cop.	LisaL	Feb 2013	#46
Yes, which isn't a "blaze of glory" like the other poster was talking about. (nt)	jeff47	Feb 2013	#47
He wants to take as many with him as possible.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#50
Severely	libodem	Feb 2013	#40
Yes. I agree. He's severely disturbed and he's gone over the edge.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#52
What a mess	libodem	Feb 2013	#53
I am sure that some of his relatives noticed this gathering.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#54
Yes	libodem	Feb 2013	#56
It's very sad. All these people dead and he will die.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#58
Yes	libodem	Feb 2013	#63
It almost seems like he was picking up bits and pieces of popular culture.	yardwork	Feb 2013	#70
His ex-girlfriend did....years ago.	dkf	Feb 2013	#84
That about says it all	libodem	Feb 2013	#88
With all his hate;	greiner3	Feb 2013	#43
Assholitarian. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#44
This revelation only makes me hate the guy even more	robertkdem1965_h89	Feb 2013	#59
Was this said in a court of law?	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#60
+++1,000,000,000	shcrane71	Feb 2013	#61
So, you also doubt that he was wrongly fired and was motivated by LAPD	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#67
Please use linear arguments. Now just what are you (anonymous person I've never	shcrane71	Feb 2013	#71
Point being, if you don't have any opinion as to whether he killed anyone, logically	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#75
So, you don't examine facts using your own mind, but rather	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#65
I believe in the 6th.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#68
So, you don't believe Cheney and Kissinger are war criminals then. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#69
What I believe is that there needs to be a trial in a court of law.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#76
Do you know who shot the children of Sandy Hook or have an opinion	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#79
You are asking a different question than who is "guilty."	morningfog	Feb 2013	#94
If there's ever a trial, then the legalities will matter more.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#100
Even if you don't have a belief	FrodosPet	Feb 2013	#139
To much iffy, hear say to say anything.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#146
This is getting more telling. Fuck juries! LOL!	morningfog	Feb 2013	#93
Juries don't create facts, they only look at them.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#101
Ken Lay was innocent! Innocent, I tell you!! Pure as the driven snow!	MADem	Feb 2013	#113
OJ Simpson caused Nicole Brown's death by slashing her throat, but he committed	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#117
Facebook posts are not admissible or reliable.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#92
Under what rule of evidence? Nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#102
They can't be verified as authentic.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#105
That's just factually incorrect.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#111
Incorrect -- admissible in both civil and criminal cases	obamanut2012	Feb 2013	#169
They most definitely are	obamanut2012	Feb 2013	#168
Sorry, I turned off	theKed	Feb 2013	#64
Oh, so you don't pay attention to facts unless they've been adjudicated in a court of law?	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#66
Nice.	theKed	Feb 2013	#72
I'm saying that we as private citizens are not bound by the rules surrounding	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#74
No, we cannot	theKed	Feb 2013	#77
Legally and factually are different concepts.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#78
There is no criminal conviction	theKed	Feb 2013	#82
I'm not convicting him. I am looking at the facts. The presumption of innocence applies	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#85
How do you feel about	theKed	Feb 2013	#97
What about it? First Amendment. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#98
Hey, I'm calling sunrise tomorrow! Your point?	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#116
Legally. But only lobotomies can prevent people from thinking otherwise.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#115
That is where you a wrong.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#83
The law does not require private citizens to abstain from forming a factual belief	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#86
We, so that the system can truly work ,must not rush to judgment.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#121
Yes, people who think for themselves are destroying democracy.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#122
People who don't know all the facts, and we will not know all till a trial, are.	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#124
The world is full of people who know their way of thinking is right. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#125
And I am glad to know my way is seen as right due to 2 great documents.n/t	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#147
You are completely, 100% incorrect re: trials, jurors, and the general public.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#114
It goes,"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."	Lady Freedom Returns	Feb 2013	#123
Wow. He is sicko. He thinks that murdering will vindicate him. Makes no sense. Filled with hate...	Honeycombe8	Feb 2013	#73
He is the "alleged murderer" because he is innocent until found guilty by a court	Agnosticsherbet	Feb 2013	#80
Legally, sure, but the legal world is a distortion of the real world.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#81
Trials are every bit as perfect as the people involved in them.	Agnosticsherbet	Feb 2013	#87
That's fair. Also fair would be for someone like me to be excluded from	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#89
That is a respectable admission on your part.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#96
People not on the jury can call him guilty as hell if we want.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#107
LOL at your "innocent before proven guilty crowd."	morningfog	Feb 2013	#90
Legally, I agree. But there are people accusing those who state that he did kill those	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#99
Dorner is one of the bad guys in this story. A stone cold killer who needs to got to trial.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#130
I see where you're coming from, but if I in any way seemed to	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#133
But you sure seem to be defending LAPD. Not a critical word toward the cop in my story, not a	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#140
It's definitive only if you're determined to put words in people's mouths.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#145
I put no words in your mouth, nor did you. It was your lack of words, your silence that I find	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#157
I do agree strongly, It just seems so obvious that it goes without saying.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#158
This is a discussion board and not a trial, in case you missed that salient tidbit.	WinkyDink	Feb 2013	#109
Oh, I didn't miss it. But, when someone rails against those	morningfog	Feb 2013	#120
And the state has declared he is guilty of being a liar.	dkf	Feb 2013	#138
What? Your post makes no sense.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#142
Dorner is mad because he is was found guilty by a court of lying about Evans kicking Gettler.	dkf	Feb 2013	#144
What court found him guilty of lying?	morningfog	Feb 2013	#149
Here	dkf	Feb 2013	#150
Did you read that? Do you understand civil suits?	morningfog	Feb 2013	#152
He was charged with making false accusations.	dkf	Feb 2013	#153
He was not found guilty of lying in a court.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#154
So why did he need to clear his name?	dkf	Feb 2013	#159
You are changing the question.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#160
You say I can't say he was found guilty of lying by a court.	dkf	Feb 2013	#163
The court found there was not sufficient evidence to overturn the administrative decision.	morningfog	Feb 2013	#164
Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.	Fla_Democrat	Feb 2013	#108
I hope they apprehend him and stop him from hurting anyone else.	darkangel218	Feb 2013	#118
Agree 100%. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#119
He thinks that killing people will help him restore his "good name."	tblue37	Feb 2013	#126
in the America I grew up in...	dtom67	Feb 2013	#128
Yes, yes you're right, the real victim here isn't Monica Quan, it's Chris Dorner.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#134
How you took that from what the other poster said is incomprehensible.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#141
The person said that we don't know that he's guilty, and won't know	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#143
Characterization. We can read what others write. Upthread you accuse me of putting words in	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#155
Honestly, your story was so disturbing I didn't know how to react.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#156
And it was that passivity and silence that I found objectionable. Yet you claimed I put words	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#165
I am not your monkey. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#166
Talk about putting words into the mouth of another. When response fails you, you accuse others.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#170
Yes, you say something and then try to grade the responses because they did not	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#171
His victims had no chance of surrender, either.	randome	Feb 2013	#135
We have To Find Reasons To Hate This Clown	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2013	#131
If you hate this guy and assume he killed them (because of his own admission)	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#136
The line in the OP reminded me of this:	ButterflyBlood	Feb 2013	#161
Well, Chik Fil-A has fewer supporters here than Dorner does. nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#162
K&ring this	obamanut2012	Feb 2013	#167

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