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Uncle Joe

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20. A quote by Robert E. Lee captures the gist of my opposition.

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:31 PM

Feb 2013

"It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it."

Robert E. Lee

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertele125498.html#PluZ1jfTyGgi8VJR.99

With humans increasingly being taken away from war's equation and killing anyone becomes a video game, waging war will become all the easier as the personal/national stakes for doing so are infinitely decreased.

Furthermore I believe much of what you see happening overseas at some point will with increasing ease be transferred home to the domestic scene, you can see it in the police force as they become ever more militarized and disconnected from the people.

Thanks for the thread, William Pitt.

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An Apache helicopter fires a Hellfire missile. A drone fires a Hellfire missile. (w/ edit) [View all] WilliamPitt Feb 2013 OP

we're not using Apache helicopters for targeted strikes n/t Enrique Feb 2013 #1

We aren't? WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #2

actually we might be Enrique Feb 2013 #8

Uh... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #3

Yes, we do. All the time. Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #55

As far as I'm concerned, there is no difference life long demo Feb 2013 #4

I keep thinking about a scene from MASH-- a pilot is talking to hawkeye, bragging about what niyad Feb 2013 #5

I remember that episode. Made an impression for sure! bullwinkle428 Feb 2013 #16

this sums it up right here frylock Feb 2013 #35

No difference. And, those that fire the missiles should be held accountable in a court of law. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #6

an apache helicopter flying over LA would raise some eyebrows tk2kewl Feb 2013 #7

Really? WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #9

You-tube video of apache helicopters flying over LA... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #10

Actually that did raise a lot of eyebrows at the time Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #14

Technically those aren't Apache helicopters. Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #57

The drone is cheaper and more expendable, and all the more likely to be overused and abused. leveymg Feb 2013 #11

The same could be said of every weapon advance. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #24

I would argue that never before has assassination been so cheap, easy and seemingly safe. leveymg Feb 2013 #49

The only thing I can think of is that no US pilot is placed in harm's way when ... 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #12

One of the criticisms of modern warfare, Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #13

Not that it matters their may be one difference...... wandy Feb 2013 #15

and they never, EVER, have to come face to face with the carnage they have engendered. niyad Feb 2013 #41

Our enemies (and we are making more by the day) can far more easily duplicate drones than Apaches Fumesucker Feb 2013 #17

Will, I think it is the human reaction to "no skin in the game".... catnhatnh Feb 2013 #18

I don't like that these are targeted assassinations. rosesaylavee Feb 2013 #19

A quote by Robert E. Lee captures the gist of my opposition. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #20

A sport is something that cannot be done while smoking. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #21

OK, you made me spit my coffee Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #23

Part of the problem may be that the Hellfire is overkill. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #22

The smaller one just came online. sir pball Feb 2013 #51

The moral choice would be to send strike teams to capture enemies. joshcryer Feb 2013 #25

maybe if we actually had to send real people, we would be a damned sight more careful about niyad Feb 2013 #43

Absolutely. joshcryer Feb 2013 #46

The only difference between the two weapon systems is that one is operated remotely.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #26

I would think a drone "pilot" could see a lot more than a pilot flying a plane Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #28

Oh, I agree, but.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #29

The pilot doesn't shoot based on witnessing "crimes" in progress. The pilot shoots Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #38

Some objections and reasons against drones quinnox Feb 2013 #27

Thank you, I was going to look for this but you already posted.... Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #36

thank you. would you consider reposting this as its own thread so it can be rec'd? niyad Feb 2013 #45

you can, it isn't my work quinnox Feb 2013 #50

Rachel Maddow had a great episode regarding this on... Little Star Feb 2013 #30

I refuse to accept the necessity of The War on Terror, so I am for neither. mikeytherat Feb 2013 #31

Is the problem truly the drones? hughee99 Feb 2013 #32

I dont buy your logic. The choice isnt either drones or 150 k troops. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #33

+1 Union Scribe Feb 2013 #52

It's about secret kill lists and turning the entire planet into a battlefield whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #34

A 24/7 terror campaign. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #37

Chris Hayes on the "no-alternative" fallacy for justifying drones Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #39

+ 1,000,000,000... What You And Chris Hayes Said !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #40

Brilliant. Thanks for posting that. nt Union Scribe Feb 2013 #53

they were both used to murder dorner? arely staircase Feb 2013 #42

The latest argument r.e. drones doesn't center on drones v. helicopters DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #44

For the civilians none. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #47

Yawn, it's not REALLY about drones. Bonobo Feb 2013 #48

I don't like either.. stillcool Feb 2013 #54

Theme song for this discussion: "Send in the Drones" Common Sense Party Feb 2013 #56