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decayincl

(27 posts)
57. Interesting thread here
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:19 PM
Feb 2013

I started kindergarten in Iowa, in 1952. I don't remember reciting or being led in prayer. We did say the Pledge of Alligiance (with God included). That was it. Then we went on to learn about Evolution.

I attended church until late in High School when I turned slowly to Agnosticism, where I stayed for 30+ years before returning to church.

I started drinking just prior to turning 21. I was an instant drunk. After 15 years of that, I became an alcoholic and started going to meetings. Our AA meetings begin with the Serenity Prayer and ends with The Lords Prayer. Many if not most folks walking into their 1st AA meeting are Agnostic or Atheist. One of the symtoms of Alcoholism is thinking you are the center of the Universe.

While not a Christian at the time, I listened carefully to those prayers and recited them with the other AAs in the meetings. Those prayers helped me and others to focus on something outside ourselves, be it God, family, nature, whatever. God is mentioned often in AA literature and the 12 steps. For Agnostics and Atheists wanting only to get sober, these mentions and the spoken prayers serve simply to focus our thougthts on something outside ourselves and more important that ourselves.

I've been to hundreds of AA meetings and never heard one person suggest that we do away with the prayers and remove God from the literature.

In reading thru this thread, I began to think that perhaps we should return to at least a moment of silence at the beginning of the school day. Some non-religious inspiring statement or poem can be read to end the moment of silence. During the moment of silence, those who believe can start their day with a silent prayer. I guess I'm just trying to find a middle way, something that serves the same end as prayer without naming a God or any religion.

I don't want to open the flood gates to bring Huckabee's God back into the schools but I do value a time of centering ourselves on some thought outside of ourselves for a minute. If done correctly, I would think only the disciples of Ayn Rand would protest. If we sneak this moment of silence back into our schools, maybe we can get Darwin back in there too.

I wonder if God finds them as tiresome as we do lunatica Feb 2013 #1
I'm sure she does. nt. MH1 Feb 2013 #13
They are God Botherers, and are arrogant enough to bother him most of all on his day of rest. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #22
I would never presume to 'know' something without any proof one way or the other lunatica Feb 2013 #32
me too. fadedrose Feb 2013 #38
Exactly. cordelia Feb 2013 #46
Somehow I don't think so ashling Feb 2013 #43
How many people suffer from mental illness because of religion and its preachers? libtodeath Feb 2013 #2
"Masacre." Yup--the mark of authenticity proving Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #3
Ah, yes. Spelling. The assid test. nt Still Blue in PDX Feb 2013 #4
Nope. It's a transcription error at most, but Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #23
Because God apparently reserves that for himself ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #5
My Mom was a devout Christian... she read the Bible front to back... ReRe Feb 2013 #11
I understand ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #14
Oh, she was... ReRe Feb 2013 #18
What ever happened to 2naSalit Feb 2013 #6
Not everyone believes that's what the founders meant. Blanks Feb 2013 #24
Indeed the Constitution does not 2naSalit Feb 2013 #30
I see it on Facebook. Blanks Feb 2013 #34
Yeah some folks didn't 2naSalit Feb 2013 #40
I used to work in county planning. Blanks Feb 2013 #44
Huckabuck has sold his soul to the money changers safeinOhio Feb 2013 #7
Huckabuck...nice one, but I prefer $huckabee. Nt pkdu Feb 2013 #20
God was expelled because he didn't have parents to sign him up. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #8
There've been 115 church shootings?!?! skypilot Feb 2013 #9
Disgruntled worshippers. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #10
LOL skypilot Feb 2013 #12
I'm not surprised at all... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #16
Oh my. skypilot Feb 2013 #35
A lot of them are only there to be seen.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #39
I prefer gruntled worshippers. DeadEyeDyck Feb 2013 #42
Proof that Gawd has left the Church... Just sayin' freshwest Feb 2013 #41
That was the figure as of November 20, 2012 Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #50
How did we do that? JoeDuck Feb 2013 #15
He's lying anyway. Students can pray in school. Mariana Feb 2013 #21
They can't understand.... ReRe Feb 2013 #17
As a Christian I am embarassed by these people... YoungDemCA Feb 2013 #19
I agree 100%! hrmjustin Feb 2013 #28
Apparently church shootings are on the rise. Blanks Feb 2013 #25
So if we remove God from churches... KansDem Feb 2013 #26
No more mentally ill if they had prayed in school as kids? HockeyMom Feb 2013 #27
I don't ever remember 'God' *being* in public schools. PotatoChip Feb 2013 #29
I'm older than you. Here's my story of before your time. I think you'll enjoy it: freshwest Feb 2013 #48
I wouldn't have objected to PotatoChip Feb 2013 #52
Nope, the Lord's Prayer wasn't mandated. The teacher said nothing either way. We'd seen the TV news. freshwest Feb 2013 #59
I am trying to picture how mere mortals could move God from anywhere. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #31
I assume that this nitwit means that since open prayer isnt allowed then God cant come in. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #33
We removed common sense from political discourse devine25 Feb 2013 #36
Huckabee's god is an egomaniacal jackass. Initech Feb 2013 #37
Huckabee, upholding the proud tradition DirkGently Feb 2013 #45
You know what's frightening? Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #47
god, protect me from your followers! yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2013 #49
The knuckledraggers are crawling all over themselves to repeat that bit of insanity. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #51
I guess this is a sign that God is not welcome in Church ck4829 Feb 2013 #53
If only GOD stayed in church there would be fewer church shootings. Historic NY Feb 2013 #54
i can never see these, can anyone post the picture? usregimechange Feb 2013 #55
Born atheist (because I think we all are!), raised Catholic and now logosoco Feb 2013 #56
Interesting thread here decayincl Feb 2013 #57
? TalkingDog Feb 2013 #58
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