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30. Sheesh, who writes these things?

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:02 AM

Feb 2013

In the first place, the people proposing this "amendment" are not the ones who "ordained and established" the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, so their "intent" was obviously not involved.

Secondly, Section three does not protect the freedom of the press rights of media organizations, only of the "people", under which term corporations do not fall, according to section 2.

And of course, Section 2 displays utter ignorance of the fact that the right of freedom of speech is not granted to "the people" in the First Amendment, or to any specific group or entity. The restricting of free speech by the government is prohibited, regardless of who is doing the speaking.

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Move to Amend proposed 28th Amendment to be introduced in Congress tomorrow [View all] LongTomH Feb 2013 OP

Woohoo! Let's hope this gets traction! meeshrox Feb 2013 #1

k&r nt steve2470 Feb 2013 #2

For the skeptics among you.....at least give it a chance! LongTomH Feb 2013 #3

Okay, I'm sure the Republican controlled House will give it due consideration and an open vote... brooklynite Feb 2013 #11

if they reject it, then it's something to blame them for Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #13

Their approval rating is 18%; how have responded to criticism so far? brooklynite Feb 2013 #14

Still no reason not to try Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #21

Thank you for reminding us of all of this. SheilaT Feb 2013 #23

Think critical mass! vlyons Feb 2013 #74

Exactly. Those who feel something is impossible... OneGrassRoot Feb 2013 #88

Those who think something should be done should understand the consequences of what they are seeking onenote Feb 2013 #98

Mine was a general comment... OneGrassRoot Feb 2013 #99

Best to not only get the ball rolling, but get the votes on record for 2014 graham4anything Feb 2013 #76

Rhetorically we can sell this to conservatives as limiting unions Recursion Feb 2013 #4

They would have to be dumb as shit to fall for that radiclib Feb 2013 #26

Yep, a non-issue. harun Feb 2013 #89

So NY Times wouldn't have 1st amendment rights? Cicada Feb 2013 #5

Maybe I'm wrong, Glamrock Feb 2013 #7

Exactly...why do so many people on this site skepticscott Feb 2013 #12

There's no reason an amendment can't explicitly protect certain things. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #19

Except that's not the amendment to be introduced skepticscott Feb 2013 #24

The language of the proposed 28th Amendment specifically says: LongTomH Feb 2013 #49

I see nothing about Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment.... Jim Lane Feb 2013 #67

RE: Raise a read flag... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #94

Not if all the individuals making up the corporation . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #29

"Hillary: The Movie" was directed by Alan Peterson, and written by him eallen Feb 2013 #32

If they were working as employees caseymoz Feb 2013 #41

Except that this Amendment is being proposed by people skepticscott Feb 2013 #36

The problem, then, is that the Constitution should be scrapped. caseymoz Feb 2013 #48

Freedom of the press theKed Feb 2013 #66

ALL of the proposed texts I've seen have explicitly protected freedom of the press NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #17

Then they would have zero impact on the result of the outcome of Citizens United eallen Feb 2013 #25

+1 skepticscott Feb 2013 #31

I disagree. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #51

Are you willing to sacrifice the NAACP? onenote Feb 2013 #79

No, I am not willing truebluegreen Feb 2013 #80

We fix it the same way that we fix so many of our problems. Blanks Feb 2013 #93

It'll mean whatever they want it to, and it will only apply to meanies we don't like. X_Digger Feb 2013 #53

The NRA's right to advocate for PRD's will not be infringed, so I don't see your opposition? apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #56

Opposition to this particular wording? Strong. Opposition to overturning CU? None. X_Digger Feb 2013 #57

Glad we can at least both agree that Citizen's United needs to go. What would you suggest apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #58

Here's a suggestion, one that seems obvious to me. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #70

Rather than an amendment, do it via campaign reform legislation. X_Digger Feb 2013 #73

Sheesh, who writes these things? skepticscott Feb 2013 #30

Don't get me wrong, I agree that most of these proposed amendments NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #84

That would be a heckuva stretch truebluegreen Feb 2013 #44

That should still be considered "freedom of the press" and not person vs corporation. The Wielding Truth Feb 2013 #69

No, the 1st Amendment clearly states "the press". Newspapers are the press. tonybgood Feb 2013 #83

I do not see where the proposed amendment says the 1'st is revoked. Why all the concern Vincardog Feb 2013 #85

Hope this works!! one_voice Feb 2013 #6

the supreme court gave the unions the same rights as business madrchsod Feb 2013 #8

K & R AzDar Feb 2013 #9

good oldandhappy Feb 2013 #10

So Democratic Underground, LLC would have no right to prevent the government from searching RB TexLa Feb 2013 #15

Yay! corporations will continue to have rights as people!!! neverforget Feb 2013 #18

Good points but the problem will still remain of unlimited funds pouring in by corporations cstanleytech Feb 2013 #22

Why do we need a Constitutional amendment for that? eallen Feb 2013 #33

Because unless its an amendment a future court could rule it unconstitutional cstanleytech Feb 2013 #35

Because it's the only way to reverse Citizens United truebluegreen Feb 2013 #45

The court, in Citizens United, encouraged Congress to require more transparency in funding. eallen Feb 2013 #72

Like I said though the problem is 10 years down the road say congress could cstanleytech Feb 2013 #77

Ha... they do that now.... defacto7 Feb 2013 #27

DU is an LLC... Terra Alta Feb 2013 #16

You have my attention. What do you see as the "answer"???? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #37

not this. it's too broad. Terra Alta Feb 2013 #39

Corporations exist at the pleasure of us humans. We allow corporations to exist rhett o rick Feb 2013 #40

Corporations didn't have constitutional rights truebluegreen Feb 2013 #50

The answer theKed Feb 2013 #68

A fair question. My answer is in #70. Jim Lane Feb 2013 #71

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #20

I am for the idea.. defacto7 Feb 2013 #28

I'm not sure I agree with that wording bluestateguy Feb 2013 #34

So, we'll limit first amendment rights, but not second amendment rights OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #38

I hope this gets going! Apophis Feb 2013 #42

One can dream... n/t AAO Feb 2013 #43

If people inundate their representatives MAYBE it has a arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #59

This reminded me of what the TyT Lobo27 Feb 2013 #46

My rep! AllyCat Feb 2013 #47

For the critics of the proposed amendment, look at the language again: LongTomH Feb 2013 #52

Your statement contradicts the text you quoted (unintentional, I'm sure).. X_Digger Feb 2013 #55

An Excellent And Necessary Amendment, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #54

The amendment is badly worded. It will get nowhere. davidn3600 Feb 2013 #60

Proud to say that Rick Nolan is my Congressman mac56 Feb 2013 #61

This would be incredibly helpful, a huge step towards healing & restoring our democracy. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #62

K&R! And massive SHAME upon everyone in government not working to overturn it! n/t Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #63

I'll click to this! KansDem Feb 2013 #64

This'll get shut down faster than the Pope. I have no hope as long valerief Feb 2013 #65

I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Agree! EOM Plucketeer Feb 2013 #95

"DFL" = "Democratic-Farmer-Labor" Party KansDem Feb 2013 #75

K&R Auggie Feb 2013 #78

How did we get here in the first place? immoderate Feb 2013 #81

There's a long backstory of how corporations came to be regarded as persons under the law....... LongTomH Feb 2013 #82

Thanks for that reference. immoderate Feb 2013 #86

Overblown conspiracy crap onenote Feb 2013 #97

electronic voting helped valerief Feb 2013 #96

Did anyone see the Press Conference???? ReRe Feb 2013 #87

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #90

This is great. I participated in a mock trial HomeboyHombre Feb 2013 #91

i don't think this can work without public financing of campaigns arely staircase Feb 2013 #92