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randome

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148. I hear you. I sure as hell don't want anyone innocent to die. For any reason.

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:26 PM

Feb 2013

But from the military's standpoint, these terrorists ALWAYS make sure they are surrounded by civilians. That doesn't make it right to kill civilians but I understand the calculations that go into it.

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Minimum of 140 children killed, and minimum 920 civilians killed overall. [View all] MadHound Feb 2013 OP

Sadly, I agree dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #1

I pretty much agree with everything you've written. cliffordu Feb 2013 #2

We are protecting nothing in Yemen, Mali, Somalia, etc. randome Feb 2013 #9

Of course we're flying the drones in order to protect our empire, MadHound Feb 2013 #11

You do realize there are civil wars in those places, right? randome Feb 2013 #12

So just because those countries are engaged in a civil war, MadHound Feb 2013 #15

My point is that we are not serving the ends of 'empire' by taking sides in a civil war. randome Feb 2013 #22

You obviously aren't paying attention, or keeping yourself fully informed MadHound Feb 2013 #67

And just imagine Mitt Romney or John McCain getting their hands on all of it! Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #3

Yeah, but he looks tough! kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #4

If a drone target is NOT legitimate it has ways of shutting the whole thing down Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #5

When you have to ProSense Feb 2013 #6

Speaking of distorting facts, you're doing it right. MadHound Feb 2013 #8

+920 green for victory Feb 2013 #17

^^^^^THIS!^^^^^^ 99Forever Feb 2013 #39

"^^^^^THIS!^^^^^^" ProSense Feb 2013 #61

We know them by what they do. 99Forever Feb 2013 #103

FYI: ProSense Feb 2013 #54

Cherry picking, you're doing it right, n/t MadHound Feb 2013 #73

You can't cite the numbers in your OP because they're bullshit. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #74

WHOOMP, there it is! MadHound Feb 2013 #78

Where? Did you post the location of the numbers you cited? ProSense Feb 2013 #87

Don't you know that by requesting actual facts, you've obviously lost your "moral compass"??.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #95

Except I provide the link to the actual facts in my OP, MadHound Feb 2013 #131

And you try to be as insulting as possible to posters who don't agree with you..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #132

Hard to be polite to a person who has repeated insulted me, MadHound Feb 2013 #137

My advice to you is to re-read a few dozen of your recent posts.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #138

Mmm-hmmm, MadHound Feb 2013 #139

LOL. None of what I've said to you could possibly be misconstrued as being insulting.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #140

For too many, they start with the wrong question. morningfog Feb 2013 #113

Good effort, but the person to whom you are responding isnt interested in the truth stevenleser Feb 2013 #25

How do you know who cares about who dies?? polly7 Feb 2013 #30

But did we start 173 threads on the subject of, say, an accidental shooting of civilians with a gun? randome Feb 2013 #33

They make killing too easy. polly7 Feb 2013 #35

We are not at war with Pakistan. randome Feb 2013 #52

lmao. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #59

part of it for me... druidity33 Feb 2013 #145

I hear you. I sure as hell don't want anyone innocent to die. For any reason. randome Feb 2013 #148

I know because every issue posted about by the OP is focused the same way stevenleser Feb 2013 #36

You don't 'know' sh*. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #37

Yep, that's what I thought. You have nothing to say in response. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #38

I did respond. polly7 Feb 2013 #46

Now we are getting somewhere. You think the majority of DUers and Democrats are bad people stevenleser Feb 2013 #50

No, I'm not misguided enough to believe 'anyone' who disagrees with me on polly7 Feb 2013 #57

The OP has a track record that is well known, and there for anyone to check. stevenleser Feb 2013 #64

you nailed it steven dionysus Feb 2013 #116

Bingo. Some folks on DU are so blinded by their hatred of the President... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #133

Ahhh yes... 99Forever Feb 2013 #41

LOL, simple recourse, right? Let's analyze the OPs. Are you interested? stevenleser Feb 2013 #43

Funny that. 99Forever Feb 2013 #47

That's exactly what I thought. You know I am right and that's why you dare not go that route stevenleser Feb 2013 #48

Wow! 99Forever Feb 2013 #101

The OP admitted I am right. What say you now? stevenleser Feb 2013 #106

Please don't parse and paraphrase my response to fit your needs, MadHound Feb 2013 #127

Give it up MadHound. SL, like many others, need to make themselves feel better. Dawgs Feb 2013 #146

LOL -You've admitted that 95% or more of your OPs here are anti-Obama. That is bias, pure and simple stevenleser Feb 2013 #149

No, geez, do I have to explain it to you like you are a two year old child? MadHound Feb 2013 #151

So what? RC Feb 2013 #144

You're right, I focus on issues, not people. MadHound Feb 2013 #55

So, take me up on my challenge. I think that 95% or more of your OPs where Obama or the admin are stevenleser Feb 2013 #60

You're probably right, MadHound Feb 2013 #65

I haven't changed my positions on a single issue since Obama took office stevenleser Feb 2013 #68

So our disagreement is over the issues, MadHound Feb 2013 #77

I do not agree that our disagreement is over the issues. I think you have another agenda. stevenleser Feb 2013 #93

Well, I would say we would have to disagree about that as well, MadHound Feb 2013 #123

Thank You unapatriciated Feb 2013 #136

Thanks again MadHound. Dawgs Feb 2013 #147

That's an ad hominem attack and a really shitty insinuation. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #120

Irony....look it up. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #134

K&R nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #7

I don't understand why this needs to be repeated. randome Feb 2013 #10

Actually, there probably would be less civilian deaths. MadHound Feb 2013 #14

That's ridiculous Recursion Feb 2013 #27

Plus many of these areas are surrounded by desert. randome Feb 2013 #34

Perhaps we should consult with Mossad, MadHound Feb 2013 #63

Israeli assassinations seem to be more the car bombing type. randome Feb 2013 #70

Wow, and you accuse me of watching too many movies, MadHound Feb 2013 #81

I never claimed to be in possession of superior knowledge. randome Feb 2013 #85

There are plenty of books and articles out there available to the ordinary person, MadHound Feb 2013 #86

Or Wikipedia. randome Feb 2013 #91

OMG, now you are resorting to Wikipedia, MadHound Feb 2013 #121

Umm, you don't send in a battalion to carry out assassinations, MadHound Feb 2013 #49

It needs to be repeated because so many continue to believe it's not a war crime. Octafish Feb 2013 #29

I don't know about that bighart Feb 2013 #96

I posted this conundrum in a couple of other places on this thread. randome Feb 2013 #98

And again and again you've been told that Pakistan condemns these drone attacks on their soil, MadHound Feb 2013 #126

In other words, you are admitting that we are violating those nations' soveignty. MadHound Feb 2013 #125

I, like I suspect you, will side with the UN and the ACLU on this bighart Feb 2013 #130

Using this standard every President in the 20th century is a mass murderer baldguy Feb 2013 #13

Umm, where are you getting that from? MadHound Feb 2013 #16

No, they broke domestic and international law differently. baldguy Feb 2013 #18

Well, first of all I'd like to see the evidence that all Presidents are so guilty, MadHound Feb 2013 #19

Are you ready to condemn Clinton for bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Serbia? baldguy Feb 2013 #20

Umm, I have condemned those actions, MadHound Feb 2013 #21

Targeted drones kill far fewer non-combatants than other methods of attack. baldguy Feb 2013 #23

Very well said. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #26

How many people from other countries are over here in NA killing Americans? polly7 Feb 2013 #28

"How many people from other countries are over here in NA killing Americans?"..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #40

+100. Some DU posters seem to have forgotten those salient facts in their rush.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #31

Thats a load of crap. The Link Feb 2013 #32

Name one that doesn't involve putting US troops in harm's way, or uses weapons.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #42

Ah, there is the caveat for you drone lovers. The Link Feb 2013 #44

Answer the question please, and please try to skip the labels and name-calling. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #45

They can't. There is no response to that. They prefer to go on calling the President, the stevenleser Feb 2013 #53

Why do people who support the killing of non-combatants... The Link Feb 2013 #62

Why can't you answer my question? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #71

You answered it yourself. nt. The Link Feb 2013 #75

Just to be completely clear on this issue, here is your original statement:.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #82

Just to be clear, you asked a question and tried to limit the answers The Link Feb 2013 #84

You made the claim that there were other methods that could be used besides drone attacks.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #90

You realize people can read your question, right? The Link Feb 2013 #97

Answer the question, please. What other alternative do you believe we can use.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #104

So you are restating your question without leading the answer now? The Link Feb 2013 #105

Just answer the question and I'll stop asking it. See how simple that is? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #135

So, MadHound Feb 2013 #51

Sure. Civilian deaths due to 'friendly fire' NEVER occurred before the invention of drones. randome Feb 2013 #76

I don't think he wanted him to die. The Link Feb 2013 #80

Only a Commander-In-Chief can make these kind of calculations. randome Feb 2013 #100

That is the difference between a live assassin and a drone, MadHound Feb 2013 #83

You see the picture in the link you posted, right? randome Feb 2013 #88

"Civilian deaths" and "friendly fire" are not the same thing. DirkGently Feb 2013 #119

Thank you for this excellent post - nt dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #153

the bombing of Serbia was the first PNAC war green for victory Feb 2013 #56

"Some of us don't equate terrorists to ordinary Americans." The Link Feb 2013 #24

I'm going to point out that every one of those victims was a civilian, PDJane Feb 2013 #58

How do you declare war against a mountainous region? randome Feb 2013 #66

I suggest you read the NYU/SU study fully and completely, MadHound Feb 2013 #69

It's not a scenario. It's true. randome Feb 2013 #72

Well, the number of dead innocents, the amount of destruction left behind, belies your assertion. MadHound Feb 2013 #89

The US relationship with Pakistan has always been an up-and-down affair. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #79

Exactly what I was told on another board by supporters of the Iraq invasion ... polly7 Feb 2013 #94

The other board must be FR, because I've never seen anything like that on DU.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #99

No, it wasn't FR. I've never posted at FR. It was a crime board, actually. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #102

I have never blindly supported any politician LWolf Feb 2013 #92

If it were American kids would drones be 'legal, ethical and wise'? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #107

That's why the Commander-In-Chief is the one to make those calls. randome Feb 2013 #108

Right whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #109

No. I think Bush demonstrated he had no moral center. randome Feb 2013 #111

Why don't you folks understand that these powers won't be limited to Saint Obama? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #112

I think most of us agree there need to be formal reviews of targeted killings. randome Feb 2013 #114

Instead of "formal reviews", which can easily turn into rubber stamps, MadHound Feb 2013 #129

Bush didn't have a moral center, MadHound Feb 2013 #128

No, that is why are judiciary system needs to make those calls, MadHound Feb 2013 #122

Yeh, so what, what's your point? Most of those children who were killed or wounded were just Zorra Feb 2013 #110

You Rawk! whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #115

Thanks. Looks like you were thinking the Zorra Feb 2013 #118

+1000 n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #152

Jesus Christ! Deep13 Feb 2013 #117

Just as 'military age males' were locked in and given kill status in Fallujah. polly7 Feb 2013 #124

Drone murder is now OK among large chunks of DU Doctor_J Feb 2013 #141

So how many souls does the country have? randome Feb 2013 #142

That was a major hit Doctor_J Feb 2013 #143

knr Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #150