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20. They used guns in those wars too. Does this count suicides?

Reply to Dragonbreathp9d (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:33 PM

Feb 2013

Because if there were no guns people would find other ways.

It is like attributing deaths to smoking, even if someone was killed accidentally/malpractice/etc, because the death certificate has a check box that relates to whether the person was a smoker or not.

Helps inflate numbers and agendas, but is not very scientific (which is something I usually expect from the rw since they hate science)

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Hartmann just now: "More Americans have died by gun violence [View all] Dragonbreathp9d Feb 2013 OP

More Evidence Of America's Depraved Gun Culture cantbeserious Feb 2013 #1

I doubt that's accurate. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #2

Doubt no more.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #3

Thanks for the link! Dragonbreathp9d Feb 2013 #5

another source timdog44 Feb 2013 #10

Thats the problem with cherry-picking data. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #12

Okay, here's the breakdown: HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #9

The subject of the OP was quite clear Number23 Feb 2013 #30

Why exclude all but one category of war deaths, HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #35

Because gun deaths are much easier to quantify than war deaths Number23 Feb 2013 #37

Do gun incidents include legal police shooting supposed bad guys and Lionessa Feb 2013 #29

Should we subtract the enemies killed from the war dead too? Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #33

Enemies already are subtracted since it says, "Americans killed" not "people killed" Lionessa Feb 2013 #34

The statement includes... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #36

Exactly, I agree that those stats are biasly hyped and therefore useless and lack any connection Lionessa Feb 2013 #39

They even include accidents in one category, and exclude them in the other. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #42

It depends on how you count the deaths.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #4

All war deaths, as stated in the OP HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #11

Civilian deaths are not included... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #17

So why are non-violent gun deaths, sucides and accidemts, included? HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #18

Just exactly what is a non-violent gun death? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #19

Suicides are in a different category than homicides. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #22

Since when? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #23

I know 5 suicide victims. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #25

I respectfully disagree. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #27

The CDC and the WHO include suicide as an act of violent death NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #26

Absent mental health issue, no death. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #28

You commented that suicides and homicides are in a different category NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #31

If you want to include all gun deaths, HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #40

Not the point I'm arguing NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #41

And civilian war deaths aren't violent or war-related? HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #44

Another point I'm not arguing NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #46

Its the point I'm arguing. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #47

Then you might try to argue it NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #49

Makes me wonder about the obsession over terrorists LittleBlue Feb 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Feb 2013 #7

Misread the citation, so self-deleted Marengo Feb 2013 #8

I think the point is still made timdog44 Feb 2013 #13

Well, here's the problem with that krispos42 Feb 2013 #14

Does this mean we should drone strike US gun owners? kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #15

These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for the right to pack indepat Feb 2013 #16

Your hatred of the AR-15 is not based in reality krispos42 Feb 2013 #51

The need for an American to pack a military-grade weapon that can fire 600-700 indepat Feb 2013 #52

Military grade, huh? krispos42 Feb 2013 #57

They used guns in those wars too. Does this count suicides? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #20

I understand what you are getting at. timdog44 Feb 2013 #21

Russia has had far more combat deaths than gun deaths. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #24

For all X not equal to the USA, Nation X has had far more combat deaths than domestic gun deaths. Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #48

Its an example. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #50

That's true. It is also true that the number of traffic fatalities dwarfs both of these. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #32

What a sad reality libtodeath Feb 2013 #38

Fear not. Before the NRA statisticians are done, we'll find that guns have given birth.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #43

Hence the phrase "F*cking Guns". n/t Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #45

And tobacco killed more in less than 5 years than all US wars combined. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #53

Ahhhh, but that would require people to sit down and take a hard look at the data derby378 Feb 2013 #54

That is the stupidest thing I have EVER seen. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #55

Smoking! Are u serious. Completely preventable. Completely. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #56