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tblue37

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24. And if were not for the restaurant owner, the wait staff

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:07 PM

Feb 2013

and cooks would not have a job or money.

But that doesn't mean that the money the employees are paid still belongs to the restaurant owner after the employees have earned it by doing their jobs.

Furthermore, if it were not for the public employees, the taxpayers would not get the governmental functions and services they demand.

Just as the owner of the restaurant would not have that restaurant to make money with and the customers would not have a place to eat out if it weren't for the restaurant employees and their willingness to work for the pay they were promised when they were hired.

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Why it is not really taxpayers’ money that funds public employees’ pensions. [View all] tblue37 Feb 2013 OP

You are absolutely correct, I am sick of assholes wanting to deny others of their EARNED PAY. we can do it Feb 2013 #1

The ones crying about it are the same that would block a union at there job who would fight libtodeath Feb 2013 #2

The issue is when the fund becomes unsound per audits/actuaries who has to pay to may it right ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #3

CALPERS Lordquinton Feb 2013 #11

The defined benefit funds are under performing. The cities are having to put in more money to make ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #14

Do you mean they have to fund a pension for someone who has earned it Lordquinton Feb 2013 #18

Not really ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #22

"For any number of reasons" Lordquinton Feb 2013 #30

The balanced budget is yet to be seen and the cities are still hurting ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #40

Rome wasn't built in a day Lordquinton Feb 2013 #45

It not that I do not support Jerry Brown, but it is not all under his control ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #47

His actions are in response to previous actions Lordquinton Feb 2013 #50

just to clarify shanti Feb 2013 #33

I knew I had something wrong Lordquinton Feb 2013 #34

oh yes shanti Feb 2013 #35

Nice Lordquinton Feb 2013 #36

CALPERS is much more than state employees ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #42

yes shanti Feb 2013 #52

Exactly...it is the taxpayer who needs to come up with the shortfall. dkf Feb 2013 #28

CALPERS wrote a lot of creative fiction in that area over time and still do to some extennt ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #44

Unfortunately our state legislators screwed our state employees... dkf Feb 2013 #48

And this leads to another issue that the financial industry and its advocates rarely discuss. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #37

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #4

Thanks. nt tblue37 Feb 2013 #5

Thank you! Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #6

Feel free to copy and paste it whenever you think it is needed. nt tblue37 Feb 2013 #7

Thank you! gollygee Feb 2013 #8

K! &! R! . .. . . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2013 #9

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #10

It's all a shell game. ReRe Feb 2013 #12

Yes. A pay cut. Nothing more or less. (nt) DirkGently Feb 2013 #13

kr HiPointDem Feb 2013 #15

K&R. Now if we could only get this written into law. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #16

Well said. nt Live and Learn Feb 2013 #17

K&R secondvariety Feb 2013 #19

Great explanation. timdog44 Feb 2013 #20

Thanks! nt tblue37 Feb 2013 #32

Pension = Deferred EARNED income duhneece Feb 2013 #21

Yes. Absolutely. n/t duffyduff Feb 2013 #54

Message auto-removed Barrett50 Feb 2013 #23

And if were not for the restaurant owner, the wait staff tblue37 Feb 2013 #24

Message auto-removed Barrett50 Feb 2013 #26

No, it WAS the taxpayers money until the employees earned it. Now it belongs to the employees. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #27

Message auto-removed Barrett50 Feb 2013 #29

Especially important due to the fact that most public sector employees TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #25

I am not surprised that Barrett50 was PPR'd. He joined today and made only a few posts--some tblue37 Feb 2013 #31

Is Barrett50 (et al) really that dense or is he just working an agenda? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #38

Well, considering that he was PPR'd, my guess is that he was tblue37 Feb 2013 #41

Should be turned around this way: Is it okay for your boss to take your pension for his expenses? freshwest Feb 2013 #39

About your rhetorical question: tblue37 Feb 2013 #43

Until it really hits them ala ENRON. Then they'll squeal for the freshwest Feb 2013 #46

Hawaii used the argument that the taxpayer is responsible to do the reverse and take from the ERS dkf Feb 2013 #49

Let's not forget that private employers have screwed their employees out of decent pension plans alarimer Feb 2013 #51

Thank you for a sane post. n/t duffyduff Feb 2013 #53

Emp gets salary, gets benefits. It's the emp's pay. Festivito Feb 2013 #55

I think bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #56

Absolutely agree, but... FreeJoe Feb 2013 #57

thanks for posting this SHRED Feb 2013 #58

Message auto-removed KristaM Feb 2013 #59

K & R from another civil servant! n/t RoccoR5955 Feb 2013 #60

that's an awful lot of words wasted hfojvt Feb 2013 #61