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cali

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31. "way less"? why?

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:56 AM

Feb 2013

and of course, as far as this discussion goes, they're all blood squats. Henry's mother was Margaret Beaufort making him a direct descendant to Edward III. Were there others with a better claim? Sure. But they were all related.

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Discuss Richard III and the War of the Roses [View all] brentspeak Feb 2013 OP

Hey, now. You watch what you say about Henry VII! kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #1

Wow! shenmue Feb 2013 #3

That's probably umpteen-bazillionth, lol. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #4

My father claims that lineage, too. PDJane Feb 2013 #51

Why, again?! nt UTUSN Feb 2013 #2

Weelll... ananda Feb 2013 #5

There's the theory that Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham, killed the princes brentspeak Feb 2013 #8

Hotspur was never 'on top' (even in Shakespeare); he was not royal muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #11

Disconfusion. ananda Feb 2013 #13

Well, to say Hotspur was on top at first would be to come in half way through muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #16

Thanks for bringing up SheilaT Feb 2013 #52

+1 truebluegreen Feb 2013 #55

Hold on a sec. I need to go read his wiki page real quick MattBaggins Feb 2013 #6

I gave you a heart for that reply...nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #21

Fun movie. Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #7

And anyone who doesn't think that the power that be aren't Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #9

I love you Brentspeak CatWoman Feb 2013 #10

You're welcome! brentspeak Feb 2013 #75

Well, SOMEbody doesn't like the Welsh! P.S. I became a teacher of Brit Lit because, in grade 2, WinkyDink Feb 2013 #12

Nah Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #14

Wow! That would make for a great Alternative History novel. madinmaryland Feb 2013 #17

Losing nobles were treated differently during the War of the Roses brentspeak Feb 2013 #19

Well, civil wars were somewhat different to fighting in France Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #22

Interesting concept. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #26

Now, more than ever, frogmarch Feb 2013 #15

"Probably" ? aquart Feb 2013 #29

No, I wouldn't convict frogmarch Feb 2013 #46

Winston Churchill got his information....where? aquart Feb 2013 #34

Interesting! Thanks for frogmarch Feb 2013 #48

Ye bloody paved over me grave flamingdem Feb 2013 #18

Elizabeth (or her minions) killed a lot of people, too AnnieBW Feb 2013 #20

as opposed to what Mary and her minions did to the protestants, jews, etc. etc. etc. CatWoman Feb 2013 #23

Need I point out that Elizabeth and Mary were both Tudors? truebluegreen Feb 2013 #57

Word that AnnieBW Feb 2013 #80

True. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #81

Cromwell Statue Outside of Parliament AnnieBW Feb 2013 #82

Justice! truebluegreen Feb 2013 #83

Elizabeth killed as few Catholics as she could. aquart Feb 2013 #30

Interesting OP. cali Feb 2013 #24

Well, no. Blood squats way less than no blood. aquart Feb 2013 #28

"way less"? why? cali Feb 2013 #31

Legitimate vs legitimated heirs. aquart Feb 2013 #35

They were legitimized by Richard II cali Feb 2013 #36

"Most experts" think the one who benefits most is NOT a likely suspect? aquart Feb 2013 #38

So Richard didn't benefit? LOL. cali Feb 2013 #41

Under Richard, they were bastards and could not rule. aquart Feb 2013 #42

yes, but they poised a real danger in that many would have cali Feb 2013 #45

Henry VII had to make those boys legitimate lapislzi Feb 2013 #49

This OP is one of the reasons I LOVE DU. cliffordu Feb 2013 #25

What you said! JimDandy Feb 2013 #33

I'll third that. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #54

We've got good conversation, JimDandy Feb 2013 #60

Skål, JD. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #61

Pandora's playing in my headphones... AmBlue Feb 2013 #69

Nice! JimDandy Feb 2013 #73

Your evidence about the princes would be...? aquart Feb 2013 #27

Plight Shaw joesdaughter Feb 2013 #32

Richard III d_r Feb 2013 #37

Yes, Game of Thrones is meant to remind you of the Wars of the Roses. aquart Feb 2013 #44

at least he wasn't the hunchback he was portrayed as Skittles Feb 2013 #39

He WAS called, appropriately, "Crookback." WinkyDink Feb 2013 #59

At the end of the day, does it matter all that much? He's the subject of a pretty famous play Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #40

Does truth matter? Hopefully, to Democrats, it does. aquart Feb 2013 #43

Oh, come on. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #64

No kidding dsc Feb 2013 #77

I'll take Hanse davion. (Battletech early fiction has all nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #47

I hope this isn't too OT, but frogmarch Feb 2013 #50

Think Mafia turf wars on a larger and much bloodier scale. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #53

Read: Winter King by Thomas Penn--WONDERFUL bio on Henry VII... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #56

Philippa Gregory, in her book, The White Queen, tavernier Feb 2013 #58

The War of the Roses. randome Feb 2013 #62

I recommend everyone read "The Daughter of Time" by Josephine Tey truebluegreen Feb 2013 #63

It's a great fun book, wonderfully written. I've read it 3 or 4 times. cali Feb 2013 #65

I studied history too, truebluegreen Feb 2013 #72

I've recently watched the th '96 trial with Rehnquist cali Feb 2013 #78

"Cute." truebluegreen Feb 2013 #79

"Daughter of Time" is a great book. Cyrano Feb 2013 #66

It was a notorious propaganda scheme DearAbby Feb 2013 #67

Robert Baratheon had no legitimate claim to the Iron Throne of Westeros, either, which by rights Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #71

I think you mean Elizabeth of York brentspeak Feb 2013 #74

thank you, yes. N/t DearAbby Feb 2013 #76

I think it was Henry VII's mother JoDog Feb 2013 #68

I'm gonna roust some rabble!!! jpak Feb 2013 #70