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People often buy things that statistically cause them more harm than good. Robb Feb 2013 #1
Perhaps, but homeopathy is proven to be false. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #3
Applying common sense to either would save lives. Robb Feb 2013 #6
Maybe, but I want to bring attention to the scam that is Homepathy. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #12
I appreciate your efforts to help educate people. eShirl Feb 2013 #67
Agreed, these terms are not interchangeable. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #69
So your point is to decry what a 'sham and scam' homeopathy is. icymist Feb 2013 #215
Really? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #233
I'm not sure, But I am sure of what it isn't; science based medicine. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #244
Homeopathic medicine is water. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #276
Look now. I don't really care what you guys think. icymist Feb 2013 #299
+1! bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #300
Respect? You want respect for ignoring reality? Really? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #301
umm. a belief in god defies reality. but I still respect people who believe in god. robinlynne Feb 2013 #302
I too, respect people who believe in a god. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #303
Yes, I see that A LOT on here obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #126
That's what I always thought. Good to know. cui bono Feb 2013 #242
That's not true, as far as I know. Modern medicine is derived from homemade plant medications Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #305
...a LOT of cayenne pepper. Hardly homeopathic. SwissTony Feb 2013 #306
I think that you may be mistaken on what "homeopathy" actually is. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #308
But But But... "Water has mem'ry!!!!" Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #2
Agreed. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #4
"Molecular memory" has caused me more bruised foreheads than any other phrase Recursion Feb 2013 #7
A mean prank just came to my mind: DetlefK Feb 2013 #10
I was just going to write something about oceans and pissing ;) Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #31
Aha! But that's not what homeopathy says. longship Feb 2013 #32
Not to mention the whole problem of "in some patients" MattBaggins Feb 2013 #98
I've been studying the history of homeopathy in America - it's actually rather fascinating derby378 Feb 2013 #5
Didn't the "pro-science" wing turn into osteopathy? Recursion Feb 2013 #8
Osteopathy grew out of the chriopractic movement, I think derby378 Feb 2013 #11
It is quite fascinating. And the way people have been duped into believing it works is not unlike cleanhippie Feb 2013 #13
I'm always on the lookout for someone proposing a return to humorism. FSogol Feb 2013 #9
We read Galen in college. It's actually kind of fascinating Recursion Feb 2013 #14
I'll do you one better: Trepanation name not needed Feb 2013 #279
Heh-heh from Wiki: FSogol Feb 2013 #286
Anyone here used Arnica Montana to control swelling after surgery? Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #15
I think that would be considered "natural" medicine, not homeopathy. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #16
There are homeopathic preparations of Arnica Montana. Heidi Feb 2013 #19
I would feel differently about an extract of AM, but any Homeopathic version is cause for alarm. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #20
Exactly. Heidi Feb 2013 #21
Good morning to you, Heidi! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Heidi Feb 2013 #40
There are homeopathic preparations of dog shit... SidDithers Feb 2013 #86
What is that supposed to treat? Incontinence? eShirl Feb 2013 #91
! Heidi Feb 2013 #164
Agreed timdog44 Feb 2013 #255
You treat Republicanism with it? jmowreader Feb 2013 #252
Nailed it!...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #260
A Friend Used Only AM After Surgery otohara Feb 2013 #197
I had a coronary bypass two summers ago MattBaggins Feb 2013 #214
I have used Arnica bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #54
Do you have a double blind study to support the claim MattBaggins Feb 2013 #181
Nope, sorry.. bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #188
Not even remotely MattBaggins Feb 2013 #192
You obviously need a blind study bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #199
This is about Science MattBaggins Feb 2013 #208
What exactly do you mean bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #258
I did not mean like that MattBaggins Feb 2013 #262
no obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #227
I've used it on my foot Retrograde Feb 2013 #177
Try it- you might be surprised! ellaydubya Feb 2013 #278
I use arnica Dorian Gray Feb 2013 #288
I use homeopathetic eye drops. Atman Feb 2013 #17
Could you not get the same result from using a saline solution instead? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #18
I don't deny that it seems goofy. Atman Feb 2013 #23
I agree with your disdain of chemicals in Visine. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #28
you are now giving medical advice JanMichael Feb 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2013 #39
Not only have I been at DU since almost JanMichael Feb 2013 #44
Who cares how long you have been here or who you know. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #48
you deleted it, but you accused me of "trolling" JanMichael Feb 2013 #53
No, you made an inference, I implied no such thing. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #59
You wrote "go troll another thread." Of course you are "done." JanMichael Feb 2013 #63
Good for you! Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #65
+1 green for victory Feb 2013 #73
Discussing the relative merits of OTC products is not kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #99
He knows that. Most would recognize ridiculous comments like that for what they are. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #105
ahhhh there's that word again JanMichael Feb 2013 #108
Never denied using the word "trolling." cleanhippie Feb 2013 #112
you most certainly did. The problem is that you did not delete JanMichael Feb 2013 #116
Yawn. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #118
You are aware as a Feline Veterinarian that the term "medical advice" JanMichael Feb 2013 #113
Ok, thank you for your concern. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #120
You would rather drop a chemical in your eye than drop a chemical in your eye? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #26
What is confusing you? Atman Feb 2013 #34
Mercurius sublimatus in similason dry eyes remedy MattBaggins Feb 2013 #42
Are you reading the same website I am? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #56
Yeah, that was kind of my point. Atman Feb 2013 #70
I have a degree in biology MattBaggins Feb 2013 #76
Ahh, I see. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #78
The point is MattBaggins Feb 2013 #85
I agree, but don't you think people are implying a slightly different meaning? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #102
You Are Much Nicer RobinA Feb 2013 #140
What do you care bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #58
Homeopathy is not just some innocent form of CAM MattBaggins Feb 2013 #83
So everything that is FDA approved bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #88
bzzzzt... wrong answer MattBaggins Feb 2013 #90
Yea, way to avoid the question.. bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #92
It wasn't a true question MattBaggins Feb 2013 #95
Your "question" is ridiculous and deserves nothing more than what it got. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #107
I didn't realize that diluted opiates weren't chemicals CreekDog Feb 2013 #51
To be fair, in a homeopathic application, there would be no chemicals at all. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #52
Water's a chemical in itself... derby378 Feb 2013 #80
Very true! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #101
It also rots pipes and fish make love in it. That's why I won't drink it or put it in my eyes. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #316
Can I suggest a little lemon? (n/t) derby378 Feb 2013 #317
What difference does it make to you? JanMichael Feb 2013 #22
I always wait for the next shoe.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #24
No kidding...we are the two biggest skeptics we know JanMichael Feb 2013 #29
You think homeopathic medicines are less likely to use mercury? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #45
Well, they are less likely to use ANYTHING at all. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #49
Agreed. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #30
Yep...the language, tone etc. just screams JanMichael Feb 2013 #33
I know. What's the harm? longship Feb 2013 #37
Adults are free to choose which treatment to use. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #226
Arrogance? longship Feb 2013 #265
It can be scary when one of your family members choses homeopathic over traditional medicine liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #43
And that is incredibly sad. However, his decision JanMichael Feb 2013 #46
Incorrect MattBaggins Feb 2013 #109
Lots of people "use my tax money" (god, that is JanMichael Feb 2013 #143
We only have so much money to use and can't afford to waste it on crap MattBaggins Feb 2013 #149
"WE only have so much money...." JanMichael Feb 2013 #173
You have no interest in an honest assessment of Homeopathy MattBaggins Feb 2013 #176
really. My wife was a paramedic, and is now a librarian JanMichael Feb 2013 #180
Unlike you I support the role of the FDA MattBaggins Feb 2013 #183
and how in the world did you get that JanMichael Feb 2013 #190
You were making things up MattBaggins Feb 2013 #194
I haven't made anything up. I have stated repeatedly JanMichael Feb 2013 #207
Don't read them then MattBaggins Feb 2013 #209
+1 bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #154
How do people make decisions without information? Silent3 Feb 2013 #264
I don't care how people spend their money. I do care that ignorant people are being scammed. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #309
"Frankly, people who use them are not harming you, so what is the issue? " cleanhippie Feb 2013 #36
at least two of us here knew you were going to bring up vaccines JanMichael Feb 2013 #38
Ok. Thank you for your opinion. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #41
Lying about medical properties of your product is inherently harmful. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #133
Labeling is required on all the packages JanMichael Feb 2013 #184
Because I hate the propagation of stupidity in our society Scootaloo Feb 2013 #196
OK JanMichael Feb 2013 #202
There's a world beyond DU Scootaloo Feb 2013 #212
I think we should realize the same is true of baptism (and holy water if catholic) Dragonfli Feb 2013 #292
What in the world makes you think I draw an exception for religion? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #304
You are on the money MattBaggins Feb 2013 #204
It's not a matter of not harming people personally. Dash87 Feb 2013 #240
And fake "medications" *do* harm people, anyway. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #291
It's not harming you that cleanhippie keeps bring this up, so what's the issue? Orrex Feb 2013 #271
No, I use herbs and nutrition. I went to a homeopath once, when I was like 22, and Zorra Feb 2013 #27
Why not? Gold isn't going to hurt you MattBaggins Feb 2013 #47
You'd be safe. Homeopathic gold solution is like all other kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #100
hahahahaha obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #128
So to keep things interesting (since some posters don't want you to talk about this)... randome Feb 2013 #50
LOL (n/t) athena Feb 2013 #228
Capsasin/Cayenne pep. diluted with cold cream for the feets. Apply 3X in 1 hour with socks. ahhhhh. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #55
Do you make that yourself? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #57
Yes. 1 teaspoon red pep to 1 small jar ponds cold cream (not the big un.) :) lonestarnot Feb 2013 #60
Sounds interesting. Ill give it a try. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #61
Removes inflamation. Careful with the insteps, they are more sensative. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #62
Thank you for this me b zola Feb 2013 #129
You are welcome dearie. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #281
That doesn't sound like a homeopathic "medicine" to me. eShirl Feb 2013 #64
Whatever. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #66
Just wondering why it's posted in a thread about homeopathy? eShirl Feb 2013 #68
Keep wondering then. Why are you shitting on this thread? lonestarnot Feb 2013 #71
I'm not. Why are you shitting on me? eShirl Feb 2013 #72
If you mix up some crap yourself and you can't by it, it's homeopathic by my definition and you lonestarnot Feb 2013 #75
I know. WTF. eShirl Feb 2013 #79
Maybe a less controversial word for what you prepared would be "home remedy", not homeopathic? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #121
WTF, indeed, you are arguing because you cannot be bothered to learn what homeopathy means....? xocet Feb 2013 #235
You probably won't want to sell cars for a living then. What? I have to look up homeopathic to lonestarnot Feb 2013 #282
My problem isn't with you, or with people who buy & use homeo products knowing what they're buying. eShirl Feb 2013 #284
I see. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #294
No, what you have to do is read the OP - the definition is there muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #289
I did and I dilute red pepper with cold cream. I don't call myself walgreens. So there is an lonestarnot Feb 2013 #295
If you prefer your ignorance, please continue. n/t xocet Feb 2013 #313
You apparently prefer being annoyed. Have at it pal. I can help you if you like. Snort lonestarnot Feb 2013 #314
He's actually right. That's a home remedy, not homeopathy. Dash87 Feb 2013 #296
You know that feeling in your throat you get just before a cold? randr Feb 2013 #74
A tincture is not the same thing as a homeopathic "remedy." cleanhippie Feb 2013 #77
Did you test this to make sure you were not just experiencing MattBaggins Feb 2013 #89
That proves nothing. athena Feb 2013 #222
The amount of ignorance on this thread is astonishing to me Nancy Waterman Feb 2013 #81
Thank you.. bama_blue_dot Feb 2013 #84
This is exactly why homeopathy should be declared illegal MattBaggins Feb 2013 #93
You do know that in a 30C potency, there's not a single molecule left in the solution?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #96
Wow. While ignoring the basic laws of mathematics, you accuse others of being ignorant. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #103
I agree - I use homepathy womanofthehills Feb 2013 #106
"If you have never tried homeopathy, why put it down so vehemently." Because it is bunk bullshit. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #110
Works big time at what? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #125
I drink a Reed's Ginger Reed obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #135
Who is this Doctor? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #169
Well, water IS hydrating, and the placebo effect is real obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #132
Please look at the evidence before your favoured treatments kill again intaglio Feb 2013 #219
I buy my arnica in a cream and rub it on my boo's .... MindMover Feb 2013 #267
Take these things into consideration: Dash87 Feb 2013 #297
Also, many, many, many people get Homeopathic mixed up with Naturopathic... SidDithers Feb 2013 #82
And the defenders appear in 3 - 2 - 1 GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #87
Thank you!! GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #136
I prefer to use science and doctors to cure what ails me. Apophis Feb 2013 #94
They are sold at Whole Foods by people with dreadlocks and Che Guevara t-shirts Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #97
Winner! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #104
Homeopathy is 100% unmitigated bullshit. No question. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #139
Latte sipping arugula munchers demanding abortions on their way to a save the whales pot rally! Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #134
LOL laundry_queen Feb 2013 #171
The real question to me is what to do about it. Should it be illegal? DanTex Feb 2013 #111
I do not have the answer to that, but there certainly IS harm. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #114
Is there any quantifiable evidence of the harm that homeopathy causes? DanTex Feb 2013 #122
"What is harmful is when people forgo actual medical treatments and use homeopathy instead" cleanhippie Feb 2013 #124
Is it illegal to mislabel a product or lie to consumers about what a product does? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #127
I would assume there has to be some disclaimer on the packaging about how the claims are not tested. DanTex Feb 2013 #147
Right there under drug facts MattBaggins Feb 2013 #152
"According to homeopathic principles"... DanTex Feb 2013 #163
which go away on their own, can be sold without a prescription MattBaggins Feb 2013 #167
"marketing that preys on the ignorant" laundry_queen Feb 2013 #172
You know, I'm open to that idea! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #174
Yes. It's a scam... SidDithers Feb 2013 #115
It's kind of a scam, but also kind of not. DanTex Feb 2013 #123
They lie to the consumer about what "ailments" it will relieve MattBaggins Feb 2013 #131
People claimed turn-of-the-20th-century patent medicines helped, too Posteritatis Feb 2013 #293
I drink close to a gallon of water a day, so yes obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #117
+1 cleanhippie Feb 2013 #119
Why Does Homeopathy Attract So Much Controversy? dooner Feb 2013 #130
Award for most bullshit study of the day MattBaggins Feb 2013 #141
There is no controversy over the efficacy of homeopathy. None. At. All. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #162
Did you even READ the nonsense contained on the link you provided? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #166
Even if it's placebo... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #137
Because it turns the ignorant away from real medicine, and in the end, that harms us all. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #148
Excuse me... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #182
Then it needs to be clearly labeled as such: PLACEBO EFFECT. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #191
That would be enough to keep it from working! JuniperLea Feb 2013 #243
Uh, because "People do know what they are taking"? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #248
That argument makes no sense. Dash87 Feb 2013 #298
That's the whole point. It's essentially faith healing, marketed as herbal remedies. eShirl Feb 2013 #151
Placebo effect is real... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #186
You are simply not correct MattBaggins Feb 2013 #218
Con artists selling people the power of their own minds = $$$ eShirl Feb 2013 #224
Same goes for any worthless gadget in the world JuniperLea Feb 2013 #247
As long as people KNOW what they're buying (a "worthless gadget" or "voodoo") fine. eShirl Feb 2013 #259
I partly agree with you. DanTex Feb 2013 #221
Placebos may need regulated too... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #245
Homeopathic medicine is energy medicine. Most Americans don't understand that...it is clear here. libdem4life Feb 2013 #138
Energy medicine... lol MattBaggins Feb 2013 #142
Energy medicine? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #145
Ahahahahaha.... SidDithers Feb 2013 #146
I see what you did there AngryAmish Feb 2013 #155
OMG obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #160
The key word - Anecdotes - And Energy Medicine? Really? GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #217
Simple yes or no... Does HiV cause AIDS? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #273
I thought I was corresponding withan intelligent being. My bad. Are you for Fu## real? libdem4life Feb 2013 #274
I asked you for your opinion on the virus and said nothing about homosexuality. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #275
AIDS and Iatrogenic death statistics??? This is not about some guy's junk. Get a life, Dude. libdem4life Feb 2013 #277
Why are you done? MattBaggins Feb 2013 #280
I'm a huge believer in naturopathy or herbology, but homeopathy is 100% BS n/t librechik Feb 2013 #144
Naturopathy is as woowoo as homeopathy MattBaggins Feb 2013 #165
And no homeopathy thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb... SidDithers Feb 2013 #150
James Randi just posted an article about this! obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #153
How funny! I just posted it! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #156
lol obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #161
I try to minimize my use of French but "Doctor" Oz is a fucking idiot. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #157
He is a highly respected cardiologist obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #158
No, that's all a buncha hogwash! But my crystal skull really works! Blecht Feb 2013 #159
Love it... SidDithers Feb 2013 #168
Woo medicine ruins lives Prism Feb 2013 #170
+infinity MattBaggins Feb 2013 #189
Reminds me of the days when doctors who washed their hands were considered Quacks. libdem4life Feb 2013 #175
You make good points, but when it comes to homeopathy, I think the verdict is in. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #178
I respect your opinion, but it flies in the face of mine and many other's experience. libdem4life Feb 2013 #193
Stop trying to use Europe to bolster homeopathy MattBaggins Feb 2013 #213
Just depends on who you choose to read. All the Medical Associations are trying to get rid of it. libdem4life Feb 2013 #220
No it does not work no matter how you use it MattBaggins Feb 2013 #223
Thank you for the sane post. zappaman Feb 2013 #229
Confusing.. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #210
First an idea is laughed at, then it is studied, then it is accepted as truth libdem4life Feb 2013 #225
The answer to the problems in medicine MattBaggins Feb 2013 #232
Accupuncture? Are you kidding me? Kaiser Permanente pays for it. libdem4life Feb 2013 #234
Bullshit they don't pay for things that don't work MattBaggins Feb 2013 #236
Homeopathy is not handwashing jmowreader Feb 2013 #257
Hylands remedy for colic costs a couple of bucks. Get off your hysteria and ask a parent with a new libdem4life Feb 2013 #266
Sugar water works and you have the stuff for that jmowreader Feb 2013 #283
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers... SidDithers Feb 2013 #261
Okey dokey. Please, proceed... libdem4life Feb 2013 #268
Translation: you are wearing the floppy shoes. n/t xocet Feb 2013 #310
Iatrogenic Deaths are Rampant...but I don't knock or mock Modern Medicine.It's just not all there is libdem4life Feb 2013 #179
I don't understand what that has to do with homeopathy. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #185
You don't!? JanMichael Feb 2013 #187
For someone who thinks that time on DU and knowing the admins lends credibility cleanhippie Feb 2013 #200
All these dire warnings about the danger of homeopathy ...these are figures of the dangers of libdem4life Feb 2013 #195
Indeed, and homeopathy plays a part in those numbers. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #201
I don't see where any other method would significantly contribute. libdem4life Feb 2013 #216
But we agree! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #246
Education, yes. I don't know about safer...it's worked for me and mine for decades. libdem4life Feb 2013 #270
The statistics are of iatrogenic deaths...conditions the patient did not have when they began libdem4life Feb 2013 #231
Of course homeopathy could be involved. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #237
I am sorry to be so harsh but so far MattBaggins Feb 2013 #238
That's OK...I don't take it personally. I've had this conversation many times. Mostly friends and libdem4life Feb 2013 #250
This goes beyond that MattBaggins Feb 2013 #253
By definition...the people didn't have the condition they died with BEFORE entering the medical libdem4life Feb 2013 #241
Perhaps that word doesn't mean what you think it means. MattBaggins Feb 2013 #254
Don't argue with me...it's statistics. It's your own folks reporting this. Not the "wackos". libdem4life Feb 2013 #269
By the way did the unibomber write that site? UPDATE numbers are BS MattBaggins Feb 2013 #272
Comes off a bit pompous oberliner Feb 2013 #198
Perhaps, but it is effective. And factual. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #203
Rubbed me the wrong way oberliner Feb 2013 #205
Dawkins seems to have that effect on many. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #206
Ben Goldacre would be a better choice MattBaggins Feb 2013 #211
I like his writing better than his videos oberliner Feb 2013 #239
Water. With memory. Taverner Feb 2013 #230
IT'S GOT WHAT HOMEOPATHS CRAVE! n/t xocet Feb 2013 #311
I use homeopathic remedies all the time and they work great jmowreader Feb 2013 #249
+1!!!1 cleanhippie Feb 2013 #251
Excellent! obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #263
If you make it JNelson6563 Feb 2013 #256
Holy crap. Off topic, but I begin to see how some people get such high post counts.... Thor_MN Feb 2013 #285
agreed! eShirl Feb 2013 #287
Not really off topic. It is the fact that companies prey on the ignorant, and keeping them ignorant cleanhippie Feb 2013 #290
Here is an example of the reinforcement of the ignorance of the masses.... xocet Feb 2013 #312
Haven't seen this mentioned in this thread but James Randi and others "overdosed"... SwissTony Feb 2013 #307
Yes I drink lots of water RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #315
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