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Autumn

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19. Perhaps I wasn't clear on my post. I posted my opposition of the use of drones on US
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:23 PM
Feb 2013

citizens without due process. No matter where they are at. Who deems an American or a group as a terrorist person or group? How much evidence is required to target an American citizen? Is there a court hearing first? Who decides? Where is the oversight? We as American have the right to due process and for a President to decide he has the power to decide those things is a very dangerous path to take. It's like a person has the power to be judge, jury and executioner.

Do I have trust that Obama would never abuse this? To a small degree I do. But Obama will be gone in four years and this power will linger on. Would you trust President Boehner or Bush or McCain or any Joe Blow off the street elected to the Presidency with this power?

The military use of drones in another can of worms. I think the war on terror is a BS war. Terrorism is a tactic, and you can not fight a war against a tactic. It's abstract. A war should be against a clear threat, otherwise you kill millions of people, ours and theirs to keep getting the number two guy, over and over again. You bankrupt the country to get a few criminals. You have to address the underlying problems and treat terrorists as the criminals they are. The arrest and incarceration of the terrorist who bombed the World Trade Center the first time worked. Timothy MCveigh was a terrorist, I lost a Sister in Law in the OKlahoma bombing , he was arrested tried and executed in a court of law. Due Process works, it's just that that fucker bush seized power and misused it and now here we are.

I am a Democrat, a liberal Democrat and I sure as hell Autumn Feb 2013 #1
Then I'm glad to stand with you on this issue. white_wolf Feb 2013 #2
When I was young I thought of America as the land of the free and the home of the brave. Autumn Feb 2013 #7
And even when you were young, you were wrong... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #28
Oh yes I was, but young kids in school were fed this nonsense. Autumn Feb 2013 #33
Ah-ha... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #37
Oh yes, under the desk, cowering in the hallway. Autumn Feb 2013 #41
Our history is tragic on so many levels. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #46
I'm with you on this. Apophis Feb 2013 #11
Amen. daleanime Feb 2013 #3
I think the Patriot Act was the first step. white_wolf Feb 2013 #4
I think of it as the first slip... daleanime Feb 2013 #9
I don't know enough to have a strong opinion. Whisp Feb 2013 #5
Let us assume Obama is the best person for the job and that he won't abuse his power. white_wolf Feb 2013 #6
Obama will be gone in four years. This will linger on. Autumn Feb 2013 #8
Is there another way to take out threats without using drones Whisp Feb 2013 #15
Perhaps I wasn't clear on my post. I posted my opposition of the use of drones on US Autumn Feb 2013 #19
drone strikes are counter-productive-- NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #47
that's a fair point. Whisp Feb 2013 #12
I am a Democrat, by party. I am a socialist by philosophy and inclination. MineralMan Feb 2013 #10
Good post. white_wolf Feb 2013 #13
Thanks. It's how I feel. MineralMan Feb 2013 #14
The Pentagon is out of control. And always remember what Smedley Butler said, because it's true. Gregorian Feb 2013 #16
I'm with you. I'm a human being, a member of the human race Catherina Feb 2013 #17
"royal decree" isn't too far from the truth. white_wolf Feb 2013 #18
I am with you 100% zeemike Feb 2013 #20
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the Dollface Feb 2013 #21
That's how King George III did it, ask Thomas Jefferson or Paine. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #39
The President has taken on Kingly Powers. fasttense Feb 2013 #22
If you're "democratic", recognize that 83% of Americans approve of Obama’s drone policy ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #23
You forgot your sarcasm thingy... ReRe Feb 2013 #26
Now you've done it. He's going to have to go back to D democrat. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #27
Majority approval is irrelevant Bradical79 Feb 2013 #29
+100. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #30
You do realize those polls are notoriously easy to manipulate , right? white_wolf Feb 2013 #34
What's your point? 90% of the Germans approved of everything Hitler did too. Catherina Feb 2013 #35
Wow. Yet another comparison of the President to Hitler?? Really?? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #44
I don't think you got that right DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #49
Oh, I think I read it correctly the first time. If I'm wrong, then please allow.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #51
I'll leave it alone, if that's what you'd like DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #53
It sure wouldn't feel like it CheapShotArtist Feb 2013 #55
I am with you 100% ReRe Feb 2013 #24
Thank you White_Wolf!!!! SylviaD Feb 2013 #25
"Opposed to drone strikes." Hells bells! That is hardly an earth shattering declaration. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #31
+100. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #50
Yup Yup FiggyJay Feb 2013 #32
I dunno could make for some great campaign ads Kalidurga Feb 2013 #36
Shouldn't we be equally outraged if they are used on non US citizens? white_wolf Feb 2013 #40
I am torn. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #42
Also, before there were drones special forces had no trouble with "renditions". We can't capture xtraxritical Feb 2013 #43
Clearly there are glitches in the war on terrorism... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #48
I have to agree. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #54
Absolutely agree strange7 Feb 2013 #38
I'm also a democrat who opposes drone strikes. unapatriciated Feb 2013 #45
I did more then take a stand. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #52
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