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Bonobo

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81. You are on a roll!!!

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:26 PM

Feb 2013

Here I thought that legal memos were about the SAME thing.

My point is that a "legal memo" does not mean something is either legal, ethical or wise.

That is why I compared it to the assassination/drone memo.

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George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for security. [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP

maybe it is time for the Obama admin to give Alberto Gonzales a call quinnox Feb 2013 #1

And General Ricardo Sanchez while he's at it. (Sanchez presided over coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #21

Sprinkle in a little John Yoo... Imagine the possibilities! They sure have. Waterboard for all! Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #31

George Bush lied us into war with Iraq, ProSense Feb 2013 #2

It is worse. Bonobo Feb 2013 #4

What? ProSense Feb 2013 #7

Did I stutter? Bonobo Feb 2013 #8

Did I? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #9

When Eugene Robinson thinks a Dem is doing wrong, he needs to reflect. So do you. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #12

That happens when people ignore the facts. ProSense Feb 2013 #17

That's not spin. Bonobo Feb 2013 #19

The issue here is not the killing, but the killing of an American citizen without the due process JDPriestly Feb 2013 #32

I respect you but clearly being obtuse makes anyone look silly. libtodeath Feb 2013 #68

"Targeting terrorists" - WTF? By whose standard and according to what coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #22

Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #33

This is the war that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend... Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #34

George W. Bush justified his invasion by claiming he was only going to kill terrorists. Seems Pres rhett o rick Feb 2013 #29

Thank God Bush isn't President any more n/t Autumn Feb 2013 #3

There have always been situations where it has been LEGAL for our government to KILL people. Ian David Feb 2013 #5

Not US citizens and not non-combatants. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #6

There have always been circumstances where that has been legal. We may have just expanded them. Ian David Feb 2013 #67

Legal ? Really? What law is that? Must be one of those religious laws. bahrbearian Feb 2013 #18

It says right in the Constitution that Congress can make wars and the President commands an army. Ian David Feb 2013 #65

Then why aren't Bush and Cheney in the dock at The Hague? - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #23

If they set foot in the wrong country, they will be. Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #60

I ask myself that every day. n/t Ian David Feb 2013 #66

i do not condone this, not one little bit. spanone Feb 2013 #10

"Yet here we are almost a full decade later" Catherina Feb 2013 #11

"Courts have no role to play in what the president does in the War on Terror" Bonobo Feb 2013 #13

So where does the Constitution say it applies outside US jurisdiction? jeff47 Feb 2013 #30

The Sixth Amendment applies in "all criminal prosecutions." JDPriestly Feb 2013 #38

And this isn't a criminal prosecution. It's an assassination. jeff47 Feb 2013 #43

I'm SICK & tired of you playing dumbass KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #62

No, the dumbasses are the ones thinking citizens have special due process rights. jeff47 Feb 2013 #70

I have no problem with a Democratic or a Republican administration using drones... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #14

Drones against somewhat "suspected" of being a member of a group loosely affiliated with AQ Bonobo Feb 2013 #16

Two wrongs don't make a right. bahrbearian Feb 2013 #15

Tu quoque fallacy longship Feb 2013 #20

I don't think the OP intended to defend Obama at all. His or her point, as I read it, is that coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #24

Thanks. Maybe you're correct. longship Feb 2013 #69

Best OP I've read on the subject thus far (including, but not limited to, my own :). Tip coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #25

Bush and Obama are the same coin. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #26

You are telling a story you like, and not the truth dsc Feb 2013 #36

So you are saying the papers lied? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #40

It isn't added security dsc Feb 2013 #42

Clinton! Damn it man, we are in another millennium. Keep up. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #44

Clinton got to keep his it was passed during his administration dsc Feb 2013 #46

Circumstances like they killing and torturing people? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #48

no like being the first black president dsc Feb 2013 #53

Wow, that must be as dangerous as being a swarthy middle eastern Muslim. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #54

Obama also signed HR347 which makes it a federal crime to protest where SS are present. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #58

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #27

The other question: given this new info, why would one believe we have actually stopped the torture? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #28

Exactly. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #50

Torture has been outsourced to Egypt. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #56

Don't forget Kosovo's Camp Bondsteel green for victory Feb 2013 #63

DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #35

Under the Obama administration, the Pentagon found no fault OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #37

And this legal masterwork memo will shield Mr. Obama as well. Bonobo Feb 2013 #39

"The lawyers said it was legal." OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #45

Kinda outing yourself tonight. cliffordu Feb 2013 #41

You mean that I'm not a goose-stepper? Guilty as charged. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #49

Godwin. cliffordu Feb 2013 #51

You can always come back kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #52

Amazingly Reagan had an Executive Order saying assassination was illegal kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #47

small difference, torture does not work krawhitham Feb 2013 #55

That's EXACTLY what John Lennon would have said! nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #57

You made me laugh cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #59

Any indication as to the success of our assassination program? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #64

Good post malaise Feb 2013 #61

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #71

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #72

K&R To see support for this monstrosity on DU is really something. idwiyo Feb 2013 #73

On one hand, it is not surprising. But it an excellent illustration of human nature. Bonobo Feb 2013 #74

I have hard time understanding this type of mentality. I would be ashamed of myself if I changed idwiyo Feb 2013 #75

I'd like to see someone answer that question as well. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #79

Surely you jest? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #76

So all legal memos on all subjects are therefore wrong? treestar Feb 2013 #77

Wow, that was EXACTLY what I said! Bonobo Feb 2013 #78

George Bush had a dog, too treestar Feb 2013 #80

You are on a roll!!! Bonobo Feb 2013 #81