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scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
44. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:47 PM
Feb 2013

I oppose ALL drone warfare, period.

You know, China vehemently condemns all activism on behalf of Tibetan sovereignty, and violently suppresses all pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests.

Now, suppose China declares all activists who agitate on behalf of Tibet to be "terrorists". I belong to the "Free Tibet" mailing list - I send them money, I sign petitions, I've attended protest rallies condemning China's occupation of Tibet. So, in the eyes of the Chinese government, I would be an anti-China "terrorist".

If China was as commited to drone warfare as the U.S. is, it would mean that they would consider themselves perfectly justified in tracking down my home address and sending a drone to drop a bomb on my house, in the name of their "war on terrorism". China wouldn't be declaring war on the U.S., they would just be declaring war on "terrorists" like me, who signed up on the Free Tibet email list.

And if the bomb dropped by a drone on my house happened to take out my neighbors, too - well, that's just collateral damage.

Do folks find that scenario outrageous? So do I. Just as outrageous as the U.S. government using drones to drop bombs on citizens of countries with whom we are not "officially" at war.

I am sick of my country's government dropping death from the skies all over the world, wherever they please. It's been going on all my life (born in 1949) - I will NEVER be okay with it.

sw

With, or without any oversight or judicial review? leftstreet Feb 2013 #1
Good questions. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #2
Well, but there is no 'fog of war.' It's Imperialist Occupations leftstreet Feb 2013 #6
OK, that's a good point. Thanks for the further response. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #7
What if it was being used in war? Would that need judicial review? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #3
Get back to this when someone is actually 'at war' with the US leftstreet Feb 2013 #8
If there is no war than drone warfare is impossible? nt el_bryanto Feb 2013 #9
Hmm...Imperial Occupation Droning is indeed a mouthful leftstreet Feb 2013 #12
The AUMF is about as close to a declaration of war against a non-state actor as you can get. pampango Feb 2013 #23
Could those who've said "in some instances but not others" specify Ken Burch Feb 2013 #4
Poorly worded poll el_bryanto Feb 2013 #5
I don't think they'd ever use drones to deliver food to troops. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #10
Maybe not yet for military people who are deployed; however... slackmaster Feb 2013 #14
Please tell me the propulsion system for that is NOT refried beans. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #24
It's OK Ken. Refried beans are only an optional component of the ordnance package. slackmaster Feb 2013 #28
It's still a war crime, though. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #33
Really? that bugs you? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #15
It doesn't bug me, just thought you should know. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #16
I chose "all instances" because cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #11
Thanks for explaining your choice. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #17
Why should our glorious best-and-brightest be endangered when killing people en masse? NoOneMan Feb 2013 #13
Now here's an idea. Let's do all warfare by remote controle...... wandy Feb 2013 #18
Would we also agree, in that scenario, Ken Burch Feb 2013 #21
Avoiding 'messing up the scenery' is why you would do it virtually. This gets better and better. wandy Feb 2013 #42
I'm one of those "others" tech3149 Feb 2013 #19
Thanks for that post. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #22
I voted no to all. Here's why: SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #20
Excellent response! I agree with you. nt DearHeart Feb 2013 #27
War is a no win option. Rex Feb 2013 #25
Drone warfare is too video-game derived, utterly dehumanizing its targets. End drone warfare utterly Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #26
+1 Dehumanizing, that was the word I was looking for in my response.. SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #39
I'd put more options in the poll... Agschmid Feb 2013 #29
the war on terror is wrong and a failure magical thyme Feb 2013 #30
I voted in some instances justiceischeap Feb 2013 #31
Always no. Too cheap, too little blowback, too clean, to few involved between order and execution. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #32
absolutely not! shanti Feb 2013 #34
Other - I oppose all warfare and find drones irrelevant quaker bill Feb 2013 #35
Drones should be used only in declared wars meow2u3 Feb 2013 #36
choice 3 should state sadalien Feb 2013 #37
Yeah, this is not a loaded question. shenmue Feb 2013 #38
Actually, it isn't. Every conceivable option was listed, and without editorial comment. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #41
We all support it through our taxes. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #40
I see some good uses for drones Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #43
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. scarletwoman Feb 2013 #44
I wish I could recommend your post, SW Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #45
It shouldn't be done routinely - SNL fadedrose Feb 2013 #46
I do not support ANY fucking warfare thank you. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #47
I support drones for surveillance... fadedrose Feb 2013 #48
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