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whatchamacallit

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72. Did you read the paper???

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:53 PM

Feb 2013

It pretty much says "we can do this anytime, anywhere, without oversight or review". Wise up.

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Another Kind of Extra-Judicial Killing [View all] MineralMan Feb 2013 OP

They are not extra-judicial. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #1

They are entirely extra-judicial Recursion Feb 2013 #2

IF they were outside the authority of the court how would it be required that: Vincardog Feb 2013 #9

No, and as we're seeing a drone strike is hardly the end of the process either Recursion Feb 2013 #11

Please link for me the judicial review of these drone strikes. The authority claimed is Vincardog Feb 2013 #14

This was leaked because the Senate subpoenaed it Recursion Feb 2013 #19

What was leaked was the Administration's claim of an legal reasoning behind an unconstitutional Vincardog Feb 2013 #30

Yes, we are. That is what we are seeing right now Recursion Feb 2013 #33

The administration has taken the position . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #44

Of course they have. And the Senate is disagreeing Recursion Feb 2013 #52

Imminent threat is not decided by any MineralMan Feb 2013 #3

Correct. 99Forever Feb 2013 #10

I am neither justifying nor condemning anything. MineralMan Feb 2013 #16

If I am directing a comment to you personally... 99Forever Feb 2013 #32

That's funny. MineralMan Feb 2013 #35

Good grief. 99Forever Feb 2013 #58

Take a breath before responding to 99 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #36

Yah. I edited my post. MineralMan Feb 2013 #37

My problem is with the claim that the Administration can do them without review or oversight. Vincardog Feb 2013 #4

This. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #7

That's an interesting point. MineralMan Feb 2013 #12

These acts are not limited to the military in a declared war. The authority claimed to Vincardog Feb 2013 #24

Again, you raise good points, for which I have no ready answer. MineralMan Feb 2013 #27

Congress gave up that authority, remember? randome Feb 2013 #31

Wouldn't that oversight and/or review ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #20

Are we to surrender all oversight to the Black Box voting machines? Vincardog Feb 2013 #26

Are we to have any more faith in a bought and paid for judiciary? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #34

I am arguing that the powers claimed are illegal and unconstitutional. The actions should be Vincardog Feb 2013 #40

Would the actions be constitutional had ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #50

If the "war zone is out-moded" what is the source of the "War Powers"? A Seal Team Vincardog Feb 2013 #57

The source of the War Powers ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #62

Then we must be seeing two different things. The Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Vincardog Feb 2013 #64

. . . and without even necessarily disclosing that they occurred n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #47

A ladle of weak sauce whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #5

I'm bringing something up for discussion. MineralMan Feb 2013 #6

every such killing is subject to external oversight and accountability.... mike_c Feb 2013 #8

Actually, there are many levels of MineralMan Feb 2013 #13

except that the Obama administration has just asserted that it is NOT SUBJECT... mike_c Feb 2013 #21

It seems some are deliberately missing you point ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #42

Yes. Anyone with military experience is aware of the review process MineralMan Feb 2013 #45

Black and white thinking ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #51

We know about this because the Senate subpoenaed it Recursion Feb 2013 #22

it was leaked to NBC.... mike_c Feb 2013 #25

After it was delivered to the Senate Recursion Feb 2013 #29

What was leaked was not what the Senate asked for and as Wyden points out... this "white memo" Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #39

Right, but this what the Senate got last summer, so oversight has been going on for a while. Recursion Feb 2013 #41

Wyden finds the memo inadequate thus oversight is hampered. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #49

Yes. It's his job to ask for more, and WHC's job to fight that Recursion Feb 2013 #54

Oversight happens when the person or persons is given adequate information to provide oversight. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #66

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #15

The reflexive nature of your recs whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #38

A review is done almost immediately after all... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #17

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #43

By whom? NCTraveler Feb 2013 #68

Two reasons ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #73

I disagree on one point.... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #80

This is almost getting funny. Marr Feb 2013 #18

More like embarrassingly silly. cali Feb 2013 #23

Watching Ardent Supporters™ defend this is hilarious leftstreet Feb 2013 #28

The better, more accurate comparison would be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #56

Huh? The man has already committed the crime of kidnapping and if the local is armed, the Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #67

Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #70

In regards to level of scrutiny: So it is claimed but neither we nor our representatvies are allowed Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #75

Watched a lot of 24? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #69

Never seen it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #71

Did you read the paper??? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #72

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #74

No, it would be to have them executed on suspicion that he *might* do something someday. Marr Feb 2013 #77

You are reading what is not there ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #79

Quote: Marr Feb 2013 #81

You're still lucky malaise Feb 2013 #46

You appear to have missed the fact that I was talking about MineralMan Feb 2013 #48

I got it but was pointing out that extra-judicial killings are malaise Feb 2013 #65

If the drone pilot makes a mistake, the President can use the power of pardon anyway FarCenter Feb 2013 #53

"So long as the President is reasonably careful in who is on the targeting list" = Orwellian. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #61

Another Kind of Extra-Judicial Killing... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #55

Ignores the concept of imminent danger LittleBlue Feb 2013 #59

I think we have clear evidence that: 1. Pilots are not police; 2. Drone hits aren't sniper-accurate; WinkyDink Feb 2013 #60

yep. barbtries Feb 2013 #63

The purpose of a police sniper shooting a suspect in that situation is not to kill the suspect slackmaster Feb 2013 #76

You are incorrect. MineralMan Feb 2013 #78