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quinnox

(20,600 posts)
12. would you say that also applies within the United States?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:29 PM
Feb 2013

so if an American citizen is a suspected terrorist, would a drone strike be ok? Just wondering.

DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2013 #1
-1 blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #295
+2... SidDithers Feb 2013 #296
K & R. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #2
You do realize that the problem that arises from treating terrorism as warfare... redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #3
The Chief Problem With Your Response, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #9
To emphasize your point, how many Americans either travel or live overseas vs how many stevenleser Feb 2013 #11
No, we do *not* know whether these decisions are made 'on a whim'. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #13
Yes we do, from simple mathematics. How many Americans have traveled abroad stevenleser Feb 2013 #16
What Obama has done and what the powers enable any future president to do redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #21
It's really not. There is nothing expansive about this power unless you believe that stevenleser Feb 2013 #27
Stateless combatant groups have existed off and on for very, very, very, very long. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #108
They have existed for a long time. I think in some respects, drones and the corresponding AUMF stevenleser Feb 2013 #124
Mathematics? moodforaday Feb 2013 #205
No. stevenleser Feb 2013 #228
Slippery Slope, Sir, Is A Slippery Ground On Which To Take a Stand.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #24
Slippery slope is precisely the issue with executive powers. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #30
Present Needs Must Be Met, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #33
Obama will not fire a missle at Assange. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #39
No One Will, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #53
No one knows that. You're a fool if you think unbelievable shit isn't possible. Dawgs Feb 2013 #68
No One Will Strike Mr. Assange With A Hell-Fire Missile, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #76
Bullshit. There is no way you can know that. Dawgs Feb 2013 #80
No One Will Strike Mr. Assange With A Hell-Fire Missile, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #90
You or I can't prove it, so the only one that's pretending is you. n/t Dawgs Feb 2013 #131
No one (except for someone listening to John Yoo.) OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #164
I am astonished that you would repeat such a statement, Sir. malthaussen Feb 2013 #176
I Will Happily Repeat It Again, Sir: No One Will Strike Mr. Assange With A Hell-Fire Missile The Magistrate Feb 2013 #178
Pfui, Sir, such an argument amounts to nothing more malthaussen Feb 2013 #187
"Which is all very well if your wish is only to thunder in rhetorical periods..." cleanhippie Feb 2013 #298
Would all the idiots who believe the earth may implode LanternWaste Feb 2013 #199
Common sense has nothing to do with logic, dude. n/t malthaussen Feb 2013 #202
You're not serious because HE SAYS you're not serious. :-) eom tledford Feb 2013 #183
Bush didn't unilaterally make the decision to invade Iraq because.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #100
I didn't say that exact same thing could or would happen again. Dawgs Feb 2013 #129
Assange is only an example. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #112
There are a lot of questionable assumptions in your argument, The Magistrate. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #113
Thank you for saying this, redgreen. Practically everyone who supports the drone strikes truth2power Feb 2013 #69
Let's deal with reality, shall we? Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #44
It seems that Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz and others decided to attack Iraq amandabeech Feb 2013 #138
My point exactly Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #145
I'm with you on this. amandabeech Feb 2013 #161
People need to remember that Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #169
Many lawyers get so deep in the minutiae of decisions, regulation, etc., amandabeech Feb 2013 #180
Precisely! Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #185
A lawyer's job is to represent his or her client's interests. amandabeech Feb 2013 #190
Well put. At the risk of triggering Godwin's Law, I would note that Nazi Germany coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #253
Perhaps you meant..."The Correct Thing to Do" for the Common Good? KoKo Feb 2013 #300
It was actually the exact opposite of a whim... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #290
I'm well aware of the PNAC. I can't believe that anyone posting here would not be. amandabeech Feb 2013 #297
Flimsy? Yes. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #299
Perhaps I should have used a different word. amandabeech Feb 2013 #301
My reply was harsh? Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #312
Well, you're obviously not a nice person, wherever you're from. amandabeech Feb 2013 #323
Ahem... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #337
It's PNAC, not PANC elias7 Feb 2013 #388
No. You're just experiencing some mild dyslexia. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #392
What you write is probably true for military drones as used in Iraq and Afghanistan Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #63
you should do more research Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #81
Certainly We Have Killed a Number Of Non-Combatants, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #99
We are not in any valid sense of the phrase, restricting drone strikes to Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #123
I Disagree, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #173
"You know perfectly well these decisions are not made on a whim;" But they are made Vincardog Feb 2013 #101
I Hold No Brief For 'War On Terror', Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #106
You limit the discussion to your specific situation. In reality the argument is against a Vincardog Feb 2013 #126
There is always recourse. Congress can impeach him. That is the Constitutional recourse. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #135
Without notice or review, how would Congress know the facts of the crime? Vincardog Feb 2013 #137
Part of the impeachment process is discovery. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #139
I prefer an easier means of correction. Checks and Balances. The American way. Vincardog Feb 2013 #143
That IS the check and balance on the Presidency. And it is the American and Constitutional way. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #146
My argument is that the power to kill without notice review or oversight is unconstitutional. We Vincardog Feb 2013 #148
I argue we are talking combatants in a war, as does the Magistrate and many others. stevenleser Feb 2013 #150
So you are arguing to Unlimited unconstrained executive power? Vincardog Feb 2013 #153
I reread the magistrates OP. I can't see that anywhere. Can you cite? nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #154
Did you read my post? Can you defend your position? Or are you saying I agree with the Vincardog Feb 2013 #156
I'm saying I agree with the magistrate's OP. In fact, in a rather long OP, I cannot find anything on stevenleser Feb 2013 #158
I have seen you "parse legal language" ..I've disagreed with you in past KoKo Feb 2013 #303
Much Appreciated, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #349
"decide on a whim" is totally irrelevant moodforaday Feb 2013 #207
Obama Equals Stalin, Sir: Got It --- Points For Mention Of Felix, Though.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #208
I think your 'straw man' is a bit unfair. The person to whom you are coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #256
There Is a Stalin Correlary To Godwin's Law, Sir, Or there Ought to Be The Magistrate Feb 2013 #258
Well put. - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #251
ditto, this stuff is not 'decided on a whim' pasto76 Feb 2013 #331
Except political suicide and impeachment. randome Feb 2013 #10
Actually there is as defined in their rules. It would not be permitted on us soil still_one Feb 2013 #203
Stop reading my mind. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #4
Thank You, Mr.Pitt The Magistrate Feb 2013 #26
Message auto-removed i am taking a_luvvah Feb 2013 #47
Thank You and rec nt independentpiney Feb 2013 #5
Why are there people who don't like the US? leftstreet Feb 2013 #6
Because the U.S. has done some evil things, but that does not mean that everyone who patrice Feb 2013 #109
I am conflicted on this, but good post. longship Feb 2013 #7
It is a conversation that we MUST have. annabanana Feb 2013 #278
Well said and I agree 100% nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #8
would you say that also applies within the United States? quinnox Feb 2013 #12
What's the difference between a drone strike and a firefight that kills the suspect? randome Feb 2013 #14
ever read the declaration of independence? quinnox Feb 2013 #22
They don't have those rights when they commit crimes in other countries. randome Feb 2013 #29
The troubling drone attacks are not the ones that target enemies during fighting. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #117
Our government is ALWAYS constrained by the constitution, it is the source of TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #201
Why do you jump to the conclusion that a suspected terrorist will engage in a firefight? Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #28
I agree, within the United States, when possible, use of lethal force should be avoided. randome Feb 2013 #32
Your scenario is conjecture. Conjecture doesn't cut it for me particularly Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #48
Of course it's conjecture. So is the idea that Obama is planning to assassinate political enemies. randome Feb 2013 #66
Would a warning shot help? DaveJ Feb 2013 #121
A firefight has to be started by someone. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #116
Then there are those who participate in firefights by building bombs in a basement. randome Feb 2013 #132
If you have evidence that someone is building a bomb somewhere out of your jurisdiction, JDPriestly Feb 2013 #140
Part of this is the immense distances involved. randome Feb 2013 #151
IEDs are only useful locally. If they are a danger to our troops engaged in war, then drones JDPriestly Feb 2013 #159
ALL targeting is based on intelligence that may or may not be reliable. randome Feb 2013 #167
Last night I woke up with the horrible question as to whether we are capable of stopping foreign JDPriestly Feb 2013 #280
Our first drone kill of an american citizen was against a person who ran a web site. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #177
He Was A Recruiter And Lead Propagandist, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #181
The ground begins to look less firm and the stance taken less reasonable. Bonobo Feb 2013 #218
If I Am Solipsistic, Sir, You Would Have a Hard Time Proving To Me You Exist.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #219
LOL. Well played! cliffordu Feb 2013 #289
I would suggest that you do a little more reading up on Mr. Awlaki's involvement msanthrope Feb 2013 #357
True, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #358
"Non-violent" was how one long-time DUer described him. msanthrope Feb 2013 #359
One Is Reminded Of A Passage From Mr.Orwell, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #361
"A louse is a louse...." All this handwringing over a man who would kill every one of us, without msanthrope Feb 2013 #362
People Who Are Themselves Good-Hearted, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #381
I am a criminal defense attorney. I am far more cynical than that--people adopt the stance of msanthrope Feb 2013 #382
Unsurprising that DUer would defend a murderous terrorist. joshcryer Feb 2013 #389
That isn't the issue though. There doesn't have to be a clear and present threat. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #206
Isn't this, in apart, about accessability? Sheepshank Feb 2013 #15
It Would Seem Excessive To Me, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #18
thanks for the answer quinnox Feb 2013 #19
And 'employing military means' at the request of that country's government. randome Feb 2013 #20
John Yoo disagrees. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #114
I believe it could, conceivably, be exercised. joshcryer Feb 2013 #198
That's the piece I was looking for. Sparkly Feb 2013 #231
No - we have the LAPD to take care of that shit. cliffordu Feb 2013 #288
We need better, independent oversight, Sir. bemildred Feb 2013 #17
There Will Be Errors, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #23
Face it. The type of governance you are advocating is authoritarianism. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #36
I Am Recognizing What is In Fact Present, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #78
Amazing what 5 years can do to people LittleBlue Feb 2013 #182
Indeed Sir, and drones will be misused, and for expediency's sake, and that is the problem. bemildred Feb 2013 #37
It Is a Very Seductive Weapon, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #88
You appear to be in favor of a monarchy or a dictatorship, sir. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #122
The courts DO have a place in war. RC Feb 2013 #155
Who would you like to suggest as the provider of "better, independent oversight"?.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #34
It's not really a tricky question unless you are worried about avoiding oversight. bemildred Feb 2013 #40
Is Congress At Present Even Capable Of Doing Its Job, Sir? The Magistrate Feb 2013 #51
One assumes the capability is there Sir. bemildred Feb 2013 #54
House votes 253-167 to require balanced budget date from Obama bemildred Feb 2013 #60
I Appreciate Your Making My Point For Me, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #64
Quite. A matter of emphasis perhaps. bemildred Feb 2013 #77
... leftstreet Feb 2013 #79
All that work on forcing a budget Paulie Feb 2013 #328
For the FISA court there a judge on call 24/7 SpartanDem Feb 2013 #57
Exactly. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #61
Possibly....but would they be ready to make decisions involving life and death.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #83
At last someone has come up with an alternative! randome Feb 2013 #84
Well-reasoned argument. Thank you. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #25
While I disagree with you - I wish you wrote xchrom Feb 2013 #31
I was contemplating writing an OP on this Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #35
I Am Not Particularly Happy About It Either, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #43
Hard, but I think worthy of a good faith effort Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #62
Just a point Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #38
al'Alawi, Sir, Did Adhere To A Body Engaged In Hostilities Against The United States The Magistrate Feb 2013 #49
Again, based upon what evidence? Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #144
Question: who is to decide? Taverner Feb 2013 #41
Persons Willing To Abuse This, Sir, Would Act As They Will, Precedent Or No The Magistrate Feb 2013 #45
Labor Organizers are murdered by government agency TODAY Taverner Feb 2013 #50
True, Sir, On a World-Wide Basis The Magistrate Feb 2013 #59
Sometimes it's just a matter of "blessing" them. See: Salvador Allende Taverner Feb 2013 #70
A well stated point of view Still Sensible Feb 2013 #42
Excellent analysis as always, Magistrate. malthaussen Feb 2013 #46
Yes, that bothered me, too dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #238
Very well said. Thank you. n/t MirrorAshes Feb 2013 #52
Then let's get those drones trained on the Far-Right Militias! WinkyDink Feb 2013 #55
I think your point on insurrection is important. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #56
Your problem is you are blindly accepting YOUR definition of drone strike as justifiction rustydog Feb 2013 #58
Just curious, but how many Confederate soldiers were afforded the protections of Amendment 6..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #165
So could they have taken out David Koresh? G_j Feb 2013 #65
He was Dealt With By Ordinary Police Power, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #73
In other words, yes.. nt G_j Feb 2013 #96
Actually, no. And beyond that, the point is moot. ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #281
Did he pose an imminent threat? G_j Feb 2013 #287
The DOJ Memo... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #292
I don't think all your words trump the simplicity of the Constitution on the matter. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #67
Good essay, I disagree on some points. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #71
I generally trust Obama not to abuse this power. Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #72
That has been my feeling on this and other thorny issues. DCBob Feb 2013 #279
Well sir... 99Forever Feb 2013 #74
Did the Confederates in the Civil War receive this "due process" ? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #282
So now two wrongs make a right? 99Forever Feb 2013 #284
I do not consider preserving the Union and breaking the back of slavery to be a "wrong"... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #329
Any means to an end, right friend? 99Forever Feb 2013 #330
If ending slavery requires violence, so be it. ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #360
Two May Not, Sir, But Three Do.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #342
To the armchair, Monday morning quarterbacks .... Raggaemon Feb 2013 #75
The US has 17+ Intelligence Agencies leftstreet Feb 2013 #85
Even the Sunday quarterbacks have to play within the rules of the game TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #233
Well reasoned argument. nt Progressive dog Feb 2013 #82
Drones are a must have to support our Democratic allies think Feb 2013 #86
a heaven05 Feb 2013 #87
Isn't this what we all wanted? deminks Feb 2013 #89
Message auto-removed shelly_moskwa Feb 2013 #91
Shit, that's bad enough I am tempted to alert on you. randome Feb 2013 #95
I don't necessarily agree with categorizing these people as belligerent parties alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #92
Given the nature of terrorism ProSense Feb 2013 #93
I understand your view, The Magistrate. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #94
"If drones are to be used as weapons..." randome Feb 2013 #98
Grenades, machine guns, bayonets, etc. are generally used in war zones. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #147
Expecting Obama or anyone else to adhere to the Golden Rule or the Categorical Imperative of Kant... randome Feb 2013 #149
How do you know whether someone is a part of the Taliban? That is part of the problem. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #160
It's more than just the Taliban. I should have listed others we know about. randome Feb 2013 #166
A Few Points, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #172
K&R. A Never Ending War with American citizens potentially targeted think Feb 2013 #263
+1. sagat Feb 2013 #97
Drone Strikes Are Acts of War triplepoint Feb 2013 #102
When we are invited by other countries to use them? I don't see that happening. randome Feb 2013 #103
Invited........... think Feb 2013 #104
Pakistan also provided intelligence about OBL's whereabouts then denied to their people they did so. randome Feb 2013 #115
You realize that we did have drones operating out of Pakistan with permission at one time stevenleser Feb 2013 #162
Do we have permission now? Seriously.......... think Feb 2013 #179
Maybe we should start calling them "buzz bombs" to make it clear. nt bananas Feb 2013 #240
GOP Rep. On Drone Strikes: ‘There Is Oversight’ Great Cthulhu Feb 2013 #105
Bullshit whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #107
Brevity Is Said To Be a Virtue, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #110
Looks like your opinion is consistent with John Bolton's sadalien Feb 2013 #111
If one engages in violence against civilization, no matter the cause, then civilization has the Yavin4 Feb 2013 #118
No problem with using drones against people engaged in violence against civilization. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #127
Let me offer you a slight counterpoint...two actually. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #119
I've never bought the idea that you'll see armed drone use in the US SpartanDem Feb 2013 #133
Well there was a time people said nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #136
Not for a while yet, no. sibelian Feb 2013 #168
Thank you for writing your Cha Feb 2013 #120
Still it's easy to identify your enemies infantry, they have uniforms SpartanDem Feb 2013 #125
Solution: Only fight wars on "Casual Friday" (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #130
It sucked when Bush did it, it is awesome now the Obama does it AngryAmish Feb 2013 #128
I don't think anyone is saying this is 'awesome'. randome Feb 2013 #134
Nor can that person point to anyone who said it sucked that Bush did it and now is in favor nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #142
Except they weren't here defending Bush G_j Feb 2013 #163
Exactly. It's that kind of hyperbole that Cha Feb 2013 #157
Baron von Raschke! OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #141
Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2013 #152
Excellent post. K&R. DevonRex Feb 2013 #170
I'll say this much for my liberal brethren: Marr Feb 2013 #171
This web site's in danger of having its name changed to D Yoo. Efilroft Sul Feb 2013 #212
There's nothing I could add to that but Marr Feb 2013 #220
Nonesense, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #244
And here is what is unreasonable about the policy. Efilroft Sul Feb 2013 #259
I Agree With The Definition Employed, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #262
You're omitting one important element. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #174
That pretty much describes a defacto war to me. stevenleser Feb 2013 #184
Doesn't describe it for me. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #195
As always, thanks for the clarity of a well-thought-out essay Hekate Feb 2013 #175
Can't add a word to what you wrote. K&R. David Zephyr Feb 2013 #186
Thanks for this n/t malaise Feb 2013 #188
A bold choice sir, and much appreciated quaker bill Feb 2013 #189
Reverse the situation Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #191
The Situation Does Not Reverse Quite That Simply, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #192
So you do support the right of other countries to attack within our country with drones Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #193
I Strive To Apply a Uniform Standard, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #194
John Bolton said about the same with much less verbiage. That's got to make you feel good. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #196
If He Agrees With Me, Sir, Then For Once In His Wretched Life He Has Stumbled Into A Correct View The Magistrate Feb 2013 #197
Actually Bolton was defending Bush era policies sadalien Feb 2013 #209
Do Not Try And Teach Your Grandmother To Suck Eggs, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #210
I'm sorry I don't get your little folksy witticisms sadalien Feb 2013 #213
Although I disagree with your premise... LanternWaste Feb 2013 #200
Thank you, Magistrate. Well stated. jazzimov Feb 2013 #204
So basically, any abuse by any authority can be justified if you make up situations. I get it. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #211
A good summation followed by a dereliction of responsibility to the precedent being set. Bonobo Feb 2013 #214
As Said Once Up-Thread, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #216
That is a very good point. However there is an argument to be made that by codifying it into law, Bonobo Feb 2013 #221
But It has Not Been Coded Into Law, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #223
Good point. Bonobo Feb 2013 #225
This part explains my position perfectly: cliffordu Feb 2013 #215
So you would do away with all constitutional provisions to rights guaranteed by same to Americans lonestarnot Feb 2013 #217
So I bought my first drone and used it today The Straight Story Feb 2013 #222
Nonesense Of This Grade is Beneath Your Dignity, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #224
Letting a few in power do this The Straight Story Feb 2013 #227
Great analogy. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #327
After reading a portion of the thread BootinUp Feb 2013 #226
Article III section 3 westerebus Feb 2013 #229
That is A Criminal Charge, Sir, For Someone Taken Alive The Magistrate Feb 2013 #230
Glad to see the spirit intact, my good sir. westerebus Feb 2013 #232
You Mistake The Point, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #234
War has not been declared unless you know other wise... westerebus Feb 2013 #235
We Are Getting Deep Into 'Say Something Once, Why Say It Again?' Territory, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #236
I respectfully agree, good sir. westerebus Feb 2013 #265
Congress broadly authorized war on September 14th, 2001 bhikkhu Feb 2013 #257
What was authorized was a "state of emergency". westerebus Feb 2013 #271
What was authorized was war: "all necessary and appropriate force" bhikkhu Feb 2013 #307
Worth Re-Reading,Sir: People Forget Just How Sweeping That Language Is.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #310
I stand corrected. westerebus Feb 2013 #320
For the record, I thought it was a bad road to go down, and a bad way to do it bhikkhu Feb 2013 #324
For the record, you lack the conviction of your initial impression on just how bad this would get. westerebus Feb 2013 #326
Does this include people in another country riding in a vehicle on the way to the store? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #239
Often Combatants Are Killed, Sir, Whilst Doing Nothing Particularly Combative At The Moment The Magistrate Feb 2013 #241
Or hitchhiking a ride with a college student and teacher, who died The Straight Story Feb 2013 #245
Five Combatants, Two Non-Combatants, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #246
Can you expand on what they were combating? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #248
You Can Do Better Than This, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #255
Again, are we at war in yemen? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #260
Members Of A Body We Are Engaged In Hostilities With Are, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #264
A willing ally indeed, when we kill innocents there they claim it is their airplanes doing it The Straight Story Feb 2013 #266
Your Use Of 'Suspects', Sir, Points Up The Problem With This Discussion The Magistrate Feb 2013 #267
Combatants The Straight Story Feb 2013 #269
These Apply To Persons Captured, Sir, Not To Engagement With Combatant Persons The Magistrate Feb 2013 #270
So I guess things like this are ok as well (I don't see much difference in drones and this:) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #321
That, Sir, Would Seem To Come Under "SNAFU' The Magistrate Feb 2013 #322
Bookmarking to read later. freshwest Feb 2013 #237
In essence, you think a moderate degree of "martial law" is an appropriate response redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #242
I Consider Addressing Such Acts As Crimes A Proper Course, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #243
Good, thoughtful piece. It does seem to me that the U.S. government seeks to have its cake and coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #247
I Agree, Sir, We Are In Grave Breach Of Geneva Conventions On Treatment Of Prisoners The Magistrate Feb 2013 #250
Juan Cole: Top Five Objections to the White House’s Drone Killing Memo Hissyspit Feb 2013 #249
I Disagree With His Analysis, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #252
I do remember the debates about the wide-open interpretations Hissyspit Feb 2013 #261
Well said, and I fully agree bhikkhu Feb 2013 #254
Excellent piece and very thought provoking. Javaman Feb 2013 #268
One might ask the OP to consider the best strategy for the Executive Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #272
A Few Answers, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #276
just a question--I work near a research facility MisterP Feb 2013 #273
I Expect The Drill, Sir, Would Be The Old 'Bend Over And Kiss Your Ass Good-Bye' Routine The Magistrate Feb 2013 #275
You make a good argument... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #274
This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #277
The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki may have been legal or otherwise justifiable azurnoir Feb 2013 #283
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #285
K&r... spanone Feb 2013 #286
Under Obama and Bush, the United States has grown up bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #291
They learned a lesson or two from Kim Philby... AntiFascist Feb 2013 #305
kicked, rec'd and bookmarked eom arely staircase Feb 2013 #293
Well said! I agree southern_belle Feb 2013 #294
Just admit it: You are an object Taverner Feb 2013 #302
You Know, Sir, There Are Sites Which Cater To That Sort Of Thing... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #304
Sir, we should talk Taverner Feb 2013 #306
Tavener...understand what you are saying. KoKo Feb 2013 #308
forget the " Terrorists "... dtom67 Feb 2013 #309
Again, Sir: Slippery Slope Is Not Solid Ground on Which To Take A Stand The Magistrate Feb 2013 #311
K & R Scurrilous Feb 2013 #313
. Ian Iam Feb 2013 #314
And, Sir, If You Are Offering Video Entertainment.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #315
There must be some mathematical correlation between Bonobo Feb 2013 #316
The Mathematical Correlation, Sir, Is With the Degree Of Precision In Communication Desired The Magistrate Feb 2013 #317
As I learned when I dabbled with Darts... Bonobo Feb 2013 #318
But Precise Execution, Sir, Is Necessary To Accuracy, Certainly To Accuracy Sustained Over Time... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #319
The message is inherent in your posting style, "sir". We all knew you'd find some excuse. Romulox Feb 2013 #336
Glad That You Suffered No Disappointment, Sir.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #350
We have actually faced, as a nation, this dilemma *twice* before: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #325
We have raised a few thousand disconnected radicals to the dignity of a state jpgray Feb 2013 #332
As Noted In The Initial Comment, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #338
People will draw the line differently no doubt - but there is something to remember jpgray Feb 2013 #365
I Am Certain Mistakes Have Been, And Will Be, Made, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #367
that's some hilarious and insulting nonsense stupidicus Feb 2013 #333
If You Want To Consider Yourself Insulted, Sir, Wear It In Good Health The Magistrate Feb 2013 #339
who said I did? stupidicus Feb 2013 #343
So Much Effort, Sir, And For So Little Effect.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #344
hardly stupidicus Feb 2013 #345
You Are Getting A Little More Proportionate, Sir.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #346
I thought so stupidicus Feb 2013 #347
Well, At Least You Think You Thought, Sir.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #348
and I apparently articulated those thoughts with so much depth and breadth stupidicus Feb 2013 #371
Bit Late, Sir, For That Attempt At Snappy Rejoinder To Have Any Sting.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #374
bit late for continued dodging to help you stupidicus Feb 2013 #387
Trusting the inherently untrustworthy never leads to anything good eridani Feb 2013 #334
While You Say You 'Get It', Ma'am, You Show Remarkably Few Signs Of Having Done So The Magistrate Feb 2013 #340
Our foreign policy mainly serves imperial bullying, and is mostly untrustworthy for that reason eridani Feb 2013 #363
That May Well Be True, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2013 #366
Given that most data used is suspect, the policy is wrong, and will likely backfire eridani Feb 2013 #368
I Think That Here, Ma'am, You Are Getting Out a Bit Ahead Of What Can Be Taken As Fact The Magistrate Feb 2013 #375
I saw the OP's name, and KNEW this was going to be a huge excuse/justification. Romulox Feb 2013 #335
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #341
Very well stated ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #351
Senator Angus King (Maine) wants oversight: mainer Feb 2013 #352
If A Workable Arrangement Can Be Made, Sir, I Certainly Would Not Object The Magistrate Feb 2013 #354
To read later snagglepuss Feb 2013 #353
Excellent post. I think you explain the situation very well, and I think you would msanthrope Feb 2013 #355
Thank You,Ma'am: Much Appreciated The Magistrate Feb 2013 #356
Hear! Hear! Or whatever a magistrate... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #364
I don't believe your last line, not one bit... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #369
You Are Free To Be Mistaken, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2013 #372
All I see are people who sacrifice long term solutions for short term satisfaction... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #383
Doesn't fit within familiar categories? caseymoz Feb 2013 #370
Deliberate Misunderstandings, Sir, Help Make The Point: Thank You For Your Assistance The Magistrate Feb 2013 #373
No, I didn't misunderstand you. caseymoz Feb 2013 #377
It would seem that ad homs, couched in eloquent prose, are the new MO. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #378
Why Should I Want To Impress You, Sir? The Magistrate Feb 2013 #379
I'm supposing you posted to be persuasive. caseymoz Feb 2013 #385
Message auto-removed SquirrelHill4444 Feb 2013 #376
Outstanding Sir. great white snark Feb 2013 #380
The correct term for this, Sir, is "whitesplaining". redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #384
I Expect, Sir, That Strikes You As Devastatingly Witty And Cogent.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #386
Assuming there is Congressional oversight... Benton D Struckcheon Feb 2013 #393
A very well put together explanation except... Oakenshield Feb 2013 #390
Nice reasoning but the fact is that the primary reason for the US being in Zorra Feb 2013 #391
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