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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. My thoughts
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:09 AM
Feb 2013

I agree with his third paragraph and the memo itself raises a dangerous precedent after Obama. What if a Michele Bachmann became president? Remember when she said liberals in the US house of Representives were traitors?

After reading the memo and comments, I'm thinking of the movie 'Minority Report' taken from a short story from Philip K Dick. There is no test outlined to determine if someone is a high ranking member of al Quaeda. There is no requirement to prove beyond reasonable doubt, by preponderance of evidence, by anything whatsoever, that someone is an imminent threat. In fact, the individual cannot even sue the government to prove he does not meet the requirements for "legal assassination." The only possible legal recourse anyone could have is to sue the administration after he is assassinated and claim that he did not meet the administration's own definition. This, of course, is impossible.






Wyden has, on more than one occasion, left the american public with only cryptic hints at substantial government wrongdoing. He has said things like "if the American public ever found out what we are told in our committee, it would be a massive scandal." Yet Mr. Wyden seems to refuse to leak these kinds of details. He's PRECISELY in the position where leaking information is both justified and actually demanded by his obligation to his constituents and the nation at large.

So, in short, the only reason I have any criticism for Mr. Wyden is that he's the only one with the proper ethical center to be in a position to not act on those ethics for the public good in a meaningful way.

Ron Wyden, liberal democratic Oregon is saying he is FOR DRONES graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
Black or White? davidpdx Feb 2013 #6
Yes, I am for it. Ron and I are on the same side. We are for it. graham4anything Feb 2013 #10
This is his point Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #11
after the fact. Not preannounced before the fact. graham4anything Feb 2013 #13
The President's argument is only valid if no mistakes are made. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #22
Truman dropped a bomb. Were all those people guilty? graham4anything Feb 2013 #24
I think there's a difference... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #25
The cold war is dead.that is so 1980s. This is 2013. No borders, new enemies. graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
No he is not. Coyotl Feb 2013 #18
This is going to be key: ProSense Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. What's so difficult about that Cha Feb 2013 #23
I personally would like to back it up a bit, ronnie. If say, russia declared that it's at war with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #3
+a million n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #4
Civilized countries like the US and Russia would resolve it without unilateral action... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #7
'these joke countries'? that comment and the attitude behind it is the problem. they're a HiPointDem Feb 2013 #9
My thoughts Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #5
This is how evil begins-subtley, reasonably. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #8
Burning infidels at the stack was all very exactingly regulated by a set of laws, slavery too Coyotl Feb 2013 #17
I am against this policy ReRe Feb 2013 #12
How many disappeared are there? Coyotl Feb 2013 #19
Wyden and Udall tried warning us about USA PATRIOT Act secret laws and COULDN'T. Octafish Feb 2013 #14
Yeah and the Patriot Act Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #16
To be accused is to be convicted Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #20
Then exploded. Octafish Feb 2013 #21
"Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them Coyotl Feb 2013 #15
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