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HiPointDem

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83. war is a fight between parties within a state or states. not between a state & 'terrorists'.

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:10 AM

Feb 2013

furthermore, 'allowing warfare' isn't a declaration of war.

furthermore, al-qaeda -- who is that?

who funds that? it's either states, factions within states, or monied interests. who are they?

furthermore, in the last 12 years, where are the acts of terrorism on US soil?

funny kind of 'terrorism'.

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White House: Drone Strikes ‘Legal,’ ‘Ethical’ And ‘Wise’ [View all] ProSense Feb 2013 OP

atrocity.... mike_c Feb 2013 #1

yep. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #16

Yes. 840high Feb 2013 #37

War Crime Octafish Feb 2013 #115

Whatever is making them legal should expire with the end of war. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #2

we're not at war, so how can it 'end'? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #33

That's one of the big problems. amandabeech Feb 2013 #40

In 2014. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #53

got the inside dope, do ya? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #54

Yes. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #56

oh, do tell!!! from who did you get it???? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #58

If I told you I'd have to drone you. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #61

actually, i don't believe you, so i don't care. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #67

It was a joke, I don't really possess a drone. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #74

We are at war. jeff47 Feb 2013 #79

war is a fight between parties within a state or states. not between a state & 'terrorists'. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #83

For some reason, Congress has preferred these non-declarations of war since the 50s. jeff47 Feb 2013 #86

It's because we've been an imperial power since the 50's. Marr Feb 2013 #88

of course it's absurd: a state doesn't go to war with individuals. the war is then everywhere and HiPointDem Feb 2013 #91

No, it's not the universe, just those "aligned with Al-Queda". jeff47 Feb 2013 #94

and those individuals can be anywhere, and be used to justify anything. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #98

Pretty much, yeah. jeff47 Feb 2013 #99

What war??? MoonRiver Feb 2013 #123

glad they cleared that up quinnox Feb 2013 #3

It is far from the final word jberryhill Feb 2013 #5

It was Congress who gave the Executive Branch unlimited power. randome Feb 2013 #13

and what about the Judicial Branch? can they review KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #112

Seven or eight Dems and three Reps at least want to see the full amandabeech Feb 2013 #41

I'm not worried about a drone strike on my place NightWatcher Feb 2013 #4

sounds like he is quoting bush and cheney nt msongs Feb 2013 #6

The question is one of power and accountability. Period. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #7

Yeah... Huh ??? WillyT Feb 2013 #8

If an American citizen is killed in a foreign country, it is up to that country to prosecute FarCenter Feb 2013 #9

link to the whole briefing Enrique Feb 2013 #10

San Marcos President: "Underwear will be worn on the outside" Bonobo Feb 2013 #11

I've gained quite some respect for you based on your replies on this topic Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #126

I think not. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #12

Bullshit. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #14

I feel so much better about it all now. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #15

Well, if Jay the Carney says so... whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #17

US Incursions on Foreign Soil – 188 and counting - Why? Because We Can. libdem4life Feb 2013 #18

We already own the world. In unmatched power and finances. randome Feb 2013 #19

Wow, are you truly that naive? MadHound Feb 2013 #21

I'm talking about current world events. randome Feb 2013 #24

Again, are you that naive? MadHound Feb 2013 #25

What are we doing in these countries at all...that alone adds to Empire libdem4life Feb 2013 #31

You make my point...just took 188 little wars...how does one think we libdem4life Feb 2013 #29

What else could he say...he's the Pres's Press Secretary... KoKo Feb 2013 #20

Jay Carney, unintentional court jester. MadHound Feb 2013 #22

Wow. You ran it up the flagpole and people shot at it. No surprise there. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #23

Legal, yes, but ethical and wise are a bit of a stretch. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #26

I'm a lawyer and I'm not yet persuaded that it is legal. amandabeech Feb 2013 #44

This thread covers my reasons for considering it legal... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #49

Congress often makes laws that are found to be unconstitutional. amandabeech Feb 2013 #59

Which part of the Constitution says the Constitution applies outside US jurisdiction? jeff47 Feb 2013 #81

You assume that the executive branch has the last say on what the Constitution and its Amendments amandabeech Feb 2013 #89

Extra-judicial executions R Us! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #27

A lot of the atrocities committed by the Nazis were also 'legal' according coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #28

We are not at 'war' with anybody. TheProgressive Feb 2013 #30

Criminal, abhorrent, and stupidly short sighted. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #32

This is what the Constitution says about Treason gholtron Feb 2013 #34

Another question: who gets to decide what is treason. amandabeech Feb 2013 #45

who gets to decide? gholtron Feb 2013 #51

Treason does not exist on the basis of some high administration official. amandabeech Feb 2013 #55

as long as they follow this part: Dragonfli Feb 2013 #114

what about self admission gholtron Feb 2013 #116

That would be good evidence to bring to the trial, yes. There needs to be a trial Dragonfli Feb 2013 #118

I do understand. gholtron Feb 2013 #119

More fun facts to back up my earlier post. gholtron Feb 2013 #122

War is Peace. woo me with science Feb 2013 #35

Imminent is Possible. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #47

LOL, I was waiting for this! Almost on queue! n-t Logical Feb 2013 #36

Oh I'm Sorry... I Thought You Were Being Funny/Ironic... WillyT Feb 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #39

Psst... The Kool-Aid Is Strong With This One... WillyT Feb 2013 #42

I sipping some ProSense Feb 2013 #50

Some Of Us Would Have Made Great... WillyT Feb 2013 #65

hey, it's ok if they're WITCHES-er COMMIES-no wait, KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #113

What about the innocent people killed in our super-righteous-zealous attacks? morningfog Feb 2013 #128

Karl Rove thinks so, too. Glad to see Rove getting the respect that he deserves. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #43

^^This^^ leftstreet Feb 2013 #72

Report back to your masters, ProSense. amandabeech Feb 2013 #46

Actually, ProSense Feb 2013 #48

I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinions. amandabeech Feb 2013 #52

Wait, ProSense Feb 2013 #57

That there might be some organized resistance to the White Paper's amandabeech Feb 2013 #60

Now, you're telling jokes? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #63

It's 12:36 am. amandabeech Feb 2013 #64

ProSense Defends The Administration... NO... MATTER... WHAT !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #69

So true. Almost a parody at this point! n-t Logical Feb 2013 #70

You forgot ProSense Feb 2013 #73

Have YOU... EVER... Had A Problem With The Obama Administration... And Posted It Here ??? WillyT Feb 2013 #77

Is that ProSense Feb 2013 #78

Well, I think that Willy T has a good question. amandabeech Feb 2013 #82

Like I said, ProSense Feb 2013 #84

Oh C'Mon Pro... There Has To Be At Least ONE Example You Can Give Us ??? WillyT Feb 2013 #85

Who are you ProSense Feb 2013 #90

No... It Was A Perfectly Straight Question WillyT Feb 2013 #103

they are legion bobduca Feb 2013 #104

Ridiculous and insulting is her specialty. Maven Feb 2013 #87

"Report back to your masters, ProSense." ProSense Feb 2013 #92

My specialty is asking you to do your job. amandabeech Feb 2013 #95

And apparently telling jokes. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #96

Yes, that's why I've had her or it or them on ignore in the past. amandabeech Feb 2013 #93

"It's like Jay Carney writes the ProSense's posts himself." ProSense Feb 2013 #97

No, but I think that you've just proved my point. amandabeech Feb 2013 #101

Sure I did. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #102

Is there anything more pathetic than appeals to authority? nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #120

Huge problem for the White House. Self inflicted. wake.up.america Feb 2013 #62

Hey White House: FUCK YOU. A little problem with "absolute power" there? Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #66

Someone didn't like your comment... ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #75

good for that jury. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #100

Thank you. I pretty much expected it to go the way of the Dodo but it's how I'm feeling Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #109

I'm not unfamiliar with your OWS involvment. Thank you for ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #110

I appreciate the jurors for leaving it alone. Strange days, indeed. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #111

Carney sounds like Baghdad Bob LittleBlue Feb 2013 #68

lol, true quinnox Feb 2013 #71

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so lol LittleBlue Feb 2013 #76

Holy Shit, I thought this was an old Bush press release leftstreet Feb 2013 #80

Now That I Realize You Were NOT Kidding... Bwahahahahahahahahaha !!!! WillyT Feb 2013 #105

Carney really said that. ProSense Feb 2013 #106

You Gotta Let Me Know... Was It Asinine/Disingenuous Bullshit, Or Not ??? WillyT Feb 2013 #107

I think you should figure it out for yourself. ProSense Feb 2013 #108

The Final Solution was "legal" too. sadalien Feb 2013 #117

+100000 Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #121

Account status: Posting privileges revoked Was it the Obama/Hitler comparison? eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #127

If you have to reassure the public that what you're doing is legal, ethical, and wise, winter is coming Feb 2013 #124

Proliferation of drones and the justification for their use Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #125