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22. "Targeting terrorists" - WTF? By whose standard and according to what

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:28 AM

Feb 2013

criteria? That's the whole point of due process. We don't grant due process to bad people because of who they are. We grant due process to bad people because of who we are.

Just stop.

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George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for security. [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP

maybe it is time for the Obama admin to give Alberto Gonzales a call quinnox Feb 2013 #1

And General Ricardo Sanchez while he's at it. (Sanchez presided over coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #21

Sprinkle in a little John Yoo... Imagine the possibilities! They sure have. Waterboard for all! Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #31

George Bush lied us into war with Iraq, ProSense Feb 2013 #2

It is worse. Bonobo Feb 2013 #4

What? ProSense Feb 2013 #7

Did I stutter? Bonobo Feb 2013 #8

Did I? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #9

When Eugene Robinson thinks a Dem is doing wrong, he needs to reflect. So do you. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #12

That happens when people ignore the facts. ProSense Feb 2013 #17

That's not spin. Bonobo Feb 2013 #19

The issue here is not the killing, but the killing of an American citizen without the due process JDPriestly Feb 2013 #32

I respect you but clearly being obtuse makes anyone look silly. libtodeath Feb 2013 #68

"Targeting terrorists" - WTF? By whose standard and according to what coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #22

Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #33

This is the war that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend... Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #34

George W. Bush justified his invasion by claiming he was only going to kill terrorists. Seems Pres rhett o rick Feb 2013 #29

Thank God Bush isn't President any more n/t Autumn Feb 2013 #3

There have always been situations where it has been LEGAL for our government to KILL people. Ian David Feb 2013 #5

Not US citizens and not non-combatants. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #6

There have always been circumstances where that has been legal. We may have just expanded them. Ian David Feb 2013 #67

Legal ? Really? What law is that? Must be one of those religious laws. bahrbearian Feb 2013 #18

It says right in the Constitution that Congress can make wars and the President commands an army. Ian David Feb 2013 #65

Then why aren't Bush and Cheney in the dock at The Hague? - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #23

If they set foot in the wrong country, they will be. Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #60

I ask myself that every day. n/t Ian David Feb 2013 #66

i do not condone this, not one little bit. spanone Feb 2013 #10

"Yet here we are almost a full decade later" Catherina Feb 2013 #11

"Courts have no role to play in what the president does in the War on Terror" Bonobo Feb 2013 #13

So where does the Constitution say it applies outside US jurisdiction? jeff47 Feb 2013 #30

The Sixth Amendment applies in "all criminal prosecutions." JDPriestly Feb 2013 #38

And this isn't a criminal prosecution. It's an assassination. jeff47 Feb 2013 #43

I'm SICK & tired of you playing dumbass KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #62

No, the dumbasses are the ones thinking citizens have special due process rights. jeff47 Feb 2013 #70

I have no problem with a Democratic or a Republican administration using drones... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #14

Drones against somewhat "suspected" of being a member of a group loosely affiliated with AQ Bonobo Feb 2013 #16

Two wrongs don't make a right. bahrbearian Feb 2013 #15

Tu quoque fallacy longship Feb 2013 #20

I don't think the OP intended to defend Obama at all. His or her point, as I read it, is that coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #24

Thanks. Maybe you're correct. longship Feb 2013 #69

Best OP I've read on the subject thus far (including, but not limited to, my own :). Tip coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #25

Bush and Obama are the same coin. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #26

You are telling a story you like, and not the truth dsc Feb 2013 #36

So you are saying the papers lied? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #40

It isn't added security dsc Feb 2013 #42

Clinton! Damn it man, we are in another millennium. Keep up. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #44

Clinton got to keep his it was passed during his administration dsc Feb 2013 #46

Circumstances like they killing and torturing people? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #48

no like being the first black president dsc Feb 2013 #53

Wow, that must be as dangerous as being a swarthy middle eastern Muslim. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #54

Obama also signed HR347 which makes it a federal crime to protest where SS are present. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #58

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #27

The other question: given this new info, why would one believe we have actually stopped the torture? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #28

Exactly. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #50

Torture has been outsourced to Egypt. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #56

Don't forget Kosovo's Camp Bondsteel green for victory Feb 2013 #63

DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #35

Under the Obama administration, the Pentagon found no fault OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #37

And this legal masterwork memo will shield Mr. Obama as well. Bonobo Feb 2013 #39

"The lawyers said it was legal." OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #45

Kinda outing yourself tonight. cliffordu Feb 2013 #41

You mean that I'm not a goose-stepper? Guilty as charged. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #49

Godwin. cliffordu Feb 2013 #51

You can always come back kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #52

Amazingly Reagan had an Executive Order saying assassination was illegal kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #47

small difference, torture does not work krawhitham Feb 2013 #55

That's EXACTLY what John Lennon would have said! nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #57

You made me laugh cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #59

Any indication as to the success of our assassination program? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #64

Good post malaise Feb 2013 #61

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #71

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #72

K&R To see support for this monstrosity on DU is really something. idwiyo Feb 2013 #73

On one hand, it is not surprising. But it an excellent illustration of human nature. Bonobo Feb 2013 #74

I have hard time understanding this type of mentality. I would be ashamed of myself if I changed idwiyo Feb 2013 #75

I'd like to see someone answer that question as well. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #79

Surely you jest? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #76

So all legal memos on all subjects are therefore wrong? treestar Feb 2013 #77

Wow, that was EXACTLY what I said! Bonobo Feb 2013 #78

George Bush had a dog, too treestar Feb 2013 #80

You are on a roll!!! Bonobo Feb 2013 #81