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gollygee

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159. Yeah but the sandpaper used for these

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:47 PM

Feb 2013

you would have to put serious and major effort into it. It would take some real work. If the kids really were bleeding, they did it on purpose and were determined.

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Sandpaper Spelling Assignment At Florida Middle School Leaves Kids Bleeding, Parents Outraged [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP

sick tk2kewl Feb 2013 #1

was she a christian? datasuspect Feb 2013 #2

Personally, I wonder if there wasn't somekind of Christian fad to "save America" by teaching in patrice Feb 2013 #55

Your theory appears to lie in tatters Union Scribe Feb 2013 #64

Anecdotal evidence is only anecdotal evidence. Here's some anecdotal evidence of my own: patrice Feb 2013 #71

I might also mention that you obviously don't know how theories are validated, or not, by means patrice Feb 2013 #76

However, to show you how open minded I am. I accept your criticism & propose a change in my patrice Feb 2013 #78

You're always as nasty to me as you can be. Care to state your problem with me out in the open? nt patrice Feb 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author patrice Feb 2013 #81

For example, why didn't #2 rate your bile? nt patrice Feb 2013 #84

Speaking of "villainizing", wouldn't it have been better to ASK me my attitude toward Christianity? patrice Feb 2013 #90

FFS pal, get it together. Union Scribe Feb 2013 #185

shades of Dolores Umbridge nt justabob Feb 2013 #3

You beat me to it! nt longship Feb 2013 #23

I was thinking the same thing dlwickham Feb 2013 #82

Maybe that's where she got the idea Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #139

or maybe she got it from the US government's Head Start website. Or any one of a million other HiPointDem Feb 2013 #155

I'd make them stop at the 10th repetition Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #170

The video shows the card with directions. FIVE TIMES for each word they missed on a spelling HiPointDem Feb 2013 #176

You didn't see the part where the kids were told to do five sessions of tracing each word 5 times a Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #201

no, i just saw it misreported as such in the media. the video shows the actual directions given HiPointDem Feb 2013 #203

If she did that she should be fired and lose her teaching credentials. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #4

That teacher is an abject moron. MineralMan Feb 2013 #5

Kindergarten and preschool teachers teach letter recognition with sandpaper proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #6

looks like *this* teacher was doing it wrong justabob Feb 2013 #8

You do realize this is based on the report from an 11 year old? proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #13

that is why I said "looks like" and "until more comes out" justabob Feb 2013 #18

Well call me strange but I'd rather have more information before calling the teacher a moron proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #28

But it ok to call the student a liar? trixie Feb 2013 #106

Because children never lie or even exaggerate? proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #108

So the poor teacher against the big bad child? trixie Feb 2013 #112

A kid who presses his finger hard enough to make it bleed. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #121

But it wasn't just one kid (nt) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #127

where are the others? the only evidence is that *this* kid says so. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #134

Only one in the linked story. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #141

Yes, you keep saying that. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #138

See my post below, and the school spokesman said it too: The Straight Story Feb 2013 #143

Over 6 million copies sold. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #151

Depends on how it is used. If you throw it at someone it could cause harm The Straight Story Feb 2013 #154

I'm glad you brought that up. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #163

yet 3 year olds can do it without injury. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #162

If it was more than one kid gollygee Feb 2013 #142

If a kid is bleeding, you have to report it or you're in deep shit. according to the kid, she told HiPointDem Feb 2013 #148

Every. Single. Day. ~ I am told "my teacher wouldn't let me go to the bathroom" proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #157

You have to go to your supplies and get a fresh pair of gloves gollygee Feb 2013 #160

Not just 1 parent/student, and it was not letters but regular sandpaper The Straight Story Feb 2013 #75

I use regular sandpaper all the time in my classroom. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #80

Did they have to trace 125 words at a time? The Straight Story Feb 2013 #83

I teach younger students. I wouldn't make them do 125 words ever, even on regular paper. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #87

25 a day, and not all at once. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #98

It wasn't 125 at a time gollygee Feb 2013 #147

the assignment was to trace each missed word FIVE TIMES. NOT 125. The teacher didn't HiPointDem Feb 2013 #187

I guess I'm clueless. I don't get how sandpaper helps kids learn to read. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #85

here proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #89

maybe the wrong grit was used?? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #10

My suspicion is that the kids pressed too hard. JVS Feb 2013 #69

I am wondering what grit was used. Maybe this teacher used 40 grit where she should have used 400. Erose999 Feb 2013 #52

60 grit according to the link appleannie1 Feb 2013 #86

It's a Montessori technique proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #7

If she left her students bleeding... yes MattBaggins Feb 2013 #11

Somewhere around 100 years of using this method and no blood yet. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #15

Not jumping to any conclusions MattBaggins Feb 2013 #16

Maybe not you proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #25

It's an accepted method for learning. madfloridian Feb 2013 #32

I've never heard of it. Control-Z Feb 2013 #57

It's called tactile learning. Also referred to as kinesthetic. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #62

Where did this go wrong here? n/t Ian David Feb 2013 #104

Well, you would hope that by 6th grade, a kid would be intelligent enough proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #107

Um, we have generations of teachers in our family trixie Feb 2013 #105

Yes, Montessori method. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #109

Montessori method? trixie Feb 2013 #113

anyone who's been in K-12 education or early childhood ed knows what montessori is. forgive HiPointDem Feb 2013 #115

Check out the prices. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #119

Why yes I do know what the "true Montessori method" is trixie Feb 2013 #204

yeah, right. i believe you, sure, that's the ticket. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #114

Generations of teachers in my family too gollygee Feb 2013 #149

Interesting. I teach at Head Start and have never seen this method used, Sadiedog Feb 2013 #122

How to use Montessori sandpaper letters: proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #124

That's interesting, since they're specifically mentioned on the government's Head Start webpage. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #137

Not all Head Start employees look at the website for curriculum ideas. Sadiedog Feb 2013 #191

of course they don't, but its inclusion suggests it's government & Head-Start-approved pedagogy. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #192

I was not saying that it wasn`t just mentioned that I had never heard of it before. nt Sadiedog Feb 2013 #198

Oh please don't bring up the shaving cream. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author Sadiedog Feb 2013 #200

Well, it is important to check what is in the product that you use. I`ve never had a kid eat it but Sadiedog Feb 2013 #202

i went to Montessori, thankfully did not learn to read or spell that way CreekDog Feb 2013 #196

If she was a parent and did that to her kids, she would have been arrested on the spot. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #9

I did this with my own children and wasn't arrested. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #26

You caused your own children to harm themselves enough to bleed? Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #44

I used sandpaper to teach them to learn letters and to spell words. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #63

As long as nobody's getting hurt, I'm cool with it derby378 Feb 2013 #96

Actually my kids are smart enough to know not to press hard enough to make their finger bleed. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #145

"Proud2blib" believes the kids are liars Scootaloo Feb 2013 #169

are you for real? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #29

Are you? Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #48

i see knee-jerk attack on a teacher who used a well-accepted technique in reading education. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #49

Incorrectly, it would seem. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #53

any parent complaint will prompt an 'investigation.' anti-teacher, anti-public school mentality. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #56

We shall see. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #61

I never said they weren't. So are newspaper reporters, editors and publishers. So are 11-year-old HiPointDem Feb 2013 #95

They investigate every complaint, regardless of the apparent evidence. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #68

Kinesthetic learning is a valid educational tool. For some kids, it's the best way ... 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #12

For starters it's from an 11 year old kid. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #14

No, you are DEFINITELY not the only one! 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #17

Well we have some here who spend much of their time bashing teachers proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #22

+1. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #31

One poster above was only concerned whether the teacher was a christian Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #42

You've said that a few times, about the 11 year-old Union Scribe Feb 2013 #67

I'm saying kids have been known to exaggerate. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #70

I used them also, most of our teachers did. Accepted technique. madfloridian Feb 2013 #35

So are you using 60 grit or 1500? snooper2 Feb 2013 #40

Writing it that many times would've done some good. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #19

Maria Montessori proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #24

Excuse me, I was taught without sandpaper, and I'm not that old. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #34

Your post is scary to me. madfloridian Feb 2013 #41

Likewise, this thread makes me scared for kids today. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #45

I would respond to that, but I don't know how. madfloridian Feb 2013 #46

"kids today"? maria montessori was born in 1870. children learn through all their senses. that HiPointDem Feb 2013 #50

Really? Union Scribe Feb 2013 #66

It is quite common, used often for those with learning problems, and with primary grades. madfloridian Feb 2013 #77

it's not a harsh method *at all*. you just run your finger lightly along the sandpaper as you HiPointDem Feb 2013 #99

This is not at all harsh gollygee Feb 2013 #153

it actually doesn't matter what grit it is. none will abrade the skin if you just brush your finger HiPointDem Feb 2013 #156

Yeah but the sandpaper used for these gollygee Feb 2013 #159

No one was smacked. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #172

montessori: born in 1870. "learned those skills better than students today" = you don't know HiPointDem Feb 2013 #33

If you think kids today are better at writing and spelling Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #37

it's 'evidant,' is it? actually, research says otherwise. despite what you read in the popular HiPointDem Feb 2013 #39

"Research" can say a lot of things. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #43

yes, phoney media-generated 'research' can say stupid things like the 60's was the high-water HiPointDem Feb 2013 #47

You have got to be kidding trixie Feb 2013 #110

gosh, a couple of posts earlier you'd never heard of it, but now you know it's bullshit. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #118

Is our children learning? lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #20

I always loved that photo deutsey Feb 2013 #27

What? Recursion Feb 2013 #21

It's part of tactile learning, long accepted. madfloridian Feb 2013 #30

long accepted for small children and surely not at the repetition level cali Feb 2013 #36

You do not yet know the details. madfloridian Feb 2013 #38

In all fairness to the teacher... jberryhill Feb 2013 #51

She also didn't press down on their fingers as they traced the letters on the sandpaper. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #65

Get rid of that teacher Rider3 Feb 2013 #54

You just read the top post didn't you? You didn't read anything else in the thread. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #181

I could be wrong, but I am calling BS on this one. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #58

+1. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #59

I'm leaning that way myself. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #72

Well: The Straight Story Feb 2013 #73

I just tested it again, longer this time. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #93

But again, was not just the one student that complained The Straight Story Feb 2013 #94

we know *he says* that other students complained. and we know from the teacher's assignment HiPointDem Feb 2013 #130

More her (including that the teacher had previously thrown a shoe at a student) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #140

no. go to the video, which shows the little card with directions the teacher passed out with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #167

Fair enough, but again I am urging you to test this yourself. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #179

it wasn't 125 times in a row. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #100

OMG Arrest that author! proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #102

he's a literary abuser!!!! or maybe he's just carrying water for the education deform crowd. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #116

Daddy's scratchy face will never again seem the same. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #120

How many of these school teacher horror stories turn out to be overblown or misreported? Bucky Feb 2013 #60

About 90% of them. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #97

gawd almighty what a horrible teacher. what else did she do in that 27 years. Whisp Feb 2013 #74

what a stupid post. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #101

of course the kid is a liar Whisp Feb 2013 #103

i said nothing about the kid, just about the stupid post you wrote. and now you wrote two stupid HiPointDem Feb 2013 #117

I sure hope you aren't a teacher. n/t Whisp Feb 2013 #123

i'm not, but i hope you aren't. you're sure johnny-on-the-spot on every teacher-bashing thread, HiPointDem Feb 2013 #128

really? 'every' teacher bashing thread? Whisp Feb 2013 #129

there are a lot of teacher-bashing threads at DU, so maybe not *every* one. but often enough that HiPointDem Feb 2013 #132

backing the truck up a bit? Whisp Feb 2013 #146

sure, whisp. sure. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #150

well I noticed that you are 'always' in threads that bash unicorns Whisp Feb 2013 #161

whatever. anyone can check if they care to. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #177

Found on a search for "sandpaper letters"... madfloridian Feb 2013 #88

probably some kind of broadie-bushie administrator, judging from his ignorance about his own field. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #111

I'm weirded out by the idea of gollygee Feb 2013 #158

Yes, it's Number one in crazy threads. madfloridian Feb 2013 #166

OMG!!! greytdemocrat Feb 2013 #91

WTF. AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #92

I heard that she also made them hit themselves on the head with a hammer Orrex Feb 2013 #125

I head she made them carve the alphabet into each other's stomachs. And then eat the cutouts. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #126

The article makes it sound like Delores Umbridge making Harry Potter write gollygee Feb 2013 #136

yes, a couple of posters compared this teacher to Delores Umbridge in all seriousness. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #178

actually my post on that subject was poorly delivered snark justabob Feb 2013 #193

sorry if i misinterpreted your comments. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #194

is my fault justabob Feb 2013 #195

How hard were they doing it? gollygee Feb 2013 #131

thank you. and if they *were* rubbing it with too much pressure, it seems the pain would make HiPointDem Feb 2013 #133

It especially seems unlikely gollygee Feb 2013 #135

Anti-public school propaganda makes me wanna sandpaper my ass leftstreet Feb 2013 #144

Feel the same way when someone says something about catholic priests/cops/guns/etc The Straight Story Feb 2013 #152

Who is doing that? We are presenting the teachers' side....that it is an accepted technique. madfloridian Feb 2013 #168

there are plenty of problems in education. i doubt very seriously that this teacher is one of them. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #171

This thread is crazy gollygee Feb 2013 #164

A+ proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #165

AND "CHILD ABUSE". It's a fucking witch hunt. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #173

It's not common to a lot of us Union Scribe Feb 2013 #188

Bingo. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #190

What in the world? pauldemmd195j Feb 2013 #174

Here, educate yourself. This is what they were doing. Three-year-olds do it without injury. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #175

As a guitar player I'll tell you emphatically that repeatedly rubbing un-calloused fingertips across Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #180

educate yourself. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #183

Preschool Montessori technique abelenkpe Feb 2013 #182

it's used for older kids for the same reasons as younger ones. sensory-tactile learning. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #184

5 times per word, 5 times per day, for 5 days Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #186

NO. the directions on the video say, and I quote: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #189

I am not defending the teacher but left is right Feb 2013 #197