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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
149. There may always be two generations growing up differently and in opposition to each other. Sigh...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:42 PM
Feb 2013
!!!!! atreides1 Feb 2013 #1
Obviously he was not law abiding. This was premeditated murder. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #117
The point is that everyone is a responsible, law-abiding citizen Orrex Feb 2013 #121
Every man and woman is a pre-criminal? hack89 Feb 2013 #124
Is that what you think? Because it's certainly not what I wrote. Orrex Feb 2013 #132
You said everyone is a pre-criminal hack89 Feb 2013 #135
Well, it's true, we're all pre-criminals that's why the police are militarized. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #137
Show me where I used that term--otherwise you're making a false accusation Orrex Feb 2013 #138
It is that entire "lawful gun owner until they are not" meme hack89 Feb 2013 #140
Don't lay your hang-ups on me Orrex Feb 2013 #144
OK nt hack89 Feb 2013 #145
In the words of Christian Grey, "Fair point well-made!" panAmerican Feb 2013 #193
Of course not all gun owners are "a crime just waiting to happen." That smells like straw to me. nomorenomore08 Feb 2013 #207
Of course not hack89 Feb 2013 #214
Oh this is well stated! Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #143
But make no mistake--the "pre-criminal" outlook is hack89's, not mine. Orrex Feb 2013 #147
I do but I am aware that I live in an area with lots of gangs and crime. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #181
No where did that person say everyone or anyone is a pre-criminal. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #174
Perhaps the gun wars are getting to me hack89 Feb 2013 #180
"Law abiding citizen until they're not" Bake Feb 2013 #229
Of course, we are all 'pre-criminals' ... earthside Feb 2013 #176
THis post added nothing to the conversation at hand. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #183
A IMPLIES B is does not lead to B IMPLIES A. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #177
This is such a dangerous agenda: hack89 Feb 2013 #179
Agreed with that. n/t AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #162
I disagree. Most criminals have a history I would imagine Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #131
I'm sure that he was Orrex Feb 2013 #134
I do doubt that any of us are pure and law abiding in that sense. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #141
I think that we've reached a good point of agreement Orrex Feb 2013 #148
You are wonderful. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #184
You may have seen "Minority Report" too many times. Jenoch Feb 2013 #202
This has nothing to do with guns, but domestic violence obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #166
Seriously. This is a Domestic Violence story and I wish people would get upset about that uppityperson Feb 2013 #185
If didn't have a gun, he couldn't strangle them all tblue Feb 2013 #198
A gun made the domestic violence murders worse, yes. But let's also notice it was DV and be appalled uppityperson Feb 2013 #199
He strangled his first child. He shot the second child. Your logic does not work. Jenoch Feb 2013 #204
But as I implied upthread, someone with a gun has a greater means by which to commit violent crimes. nomorenomore08 Feb 2013 #208
Yes. REP Feb 2013 #212
I think I'd have to be taken directly to the psych ward after experiencing that... hlthe2b Feb 2013 #2
No wonder she divorced him. thecrow Feb 2013 #5
Killing a woman's pets for revenge is not at all rare obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #167
Nope,no regulations or restrictions needed huh NRA? libtodeath Feb 2013 #3
What law would have prevented this tragedy? hack89 Feb 2013 #15
Did you read the article or headline? libtodeath Feb 2013 #21
He seems to be the only one who did. The guy had two handguns Recursion Feb 2013 #25
It does not say it wasn`t used. libtodeath Feb 2013 #30
Yes, it does. It says the non-assault handgun was the one he used Recursion Feb 2013 #32
Wrong,it says he shot himself with the other,nothing mentioned on what he killed the one child with libtodeath Feb 2013 #40
Yes, and it's possible he used an axe that they didn't mention, too Recursion Feb 2013 #45
blah blah blah libtodeath Feb 2013 #47
No it isnt AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #55
We both clicked on the link Recursion Feb 2013 #56
Why do you exhibit horror at the thought of a particular gun being blamed for the shooting... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #63
Well, both statements are absolutely false, and frankly beneath you to suggest Recursion Feb 2013 #65
THIS. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #101
And his hands. hack89 Feb 2013 #156
You are correct. Jenoch Feb 2013 #205
What the fuck does it matter? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #201
Point to a revolver mild enough that it wouldn't accomplish what he intended in that horrific AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #200
A law banning ALL guns crim son Feb 2013 #58
We'll never know will we? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #92
Excellent argument for a nation with zero laws, dude, kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #108
Of course we need laws hack89 Feb 2013 #111
"What law would have prevented this tragedy?" Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #115
Many states.. Capt13 Feb 2013 #119
sounds like a case detailed at the NIH green for victory Feb 2013 #4
Blame anything but access the guns and murderous male rage. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #7
It's not a 'this OR that' type of situation ... Myrina Feb 2013 #14
Could have been a contributing factor maxsolomon Feb 2013 #35
Well, very very few of them Recursion Feb 2013 #38
I know of only one. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #41
I was thinking of the woman who drove her kids into a reservoir in the car Recursion Feb 2013 #48
Along with not killing the children in front of the spouse maxsolomon Feb 2013 #95
Right, and not killing the spouse (though this guy didn't kill the wife either) Recursion Feb 2013 #96
What about that woman in Texas several years ago ... Myrina Feb 2013 #89
Postpartum psychosis... AnneD Feb 2013 #93
Do you care? AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #13
He recently became a Mormon as well - very sad story el_bryanto Feb 2013 #6
Guns didn't cause this? I doubt the coroner's report agrees with you. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #12
I think a person that disturbed would have done it in some other way el_bryanto Feb 2013 #18
Well, the assault weapon he didn't use certainly didn't cause it (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #19
Both of the boys were stangled, so the coroner's report will probably agree with him. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #24
Even if this guy had no guns at all, those boys would still be dead. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #61
Who says they stood still or were threatened with a gun? DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #83
So he killed himself with a gun? mikeysnot Feb 2013 #91
...which doesn't change the fact that the boys would be dead DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #99
He fended her off with the gun deal with it. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #112
You made that up. Deal with it. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #120
project much. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #122
Nope. But you sure do. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #123
sad mikeysnot Feb 2013 #129
You wanted a serious reply to 'project much'? LOL DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #155
right back at yah! mikeysnot Feb 2013 #159
Didn't catch this the first time. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #125
If the person you are trying to intimidate doesn't care if they die DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #154
Reality catch it. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #158
So you admit you are wrong. Good for you. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #160
How lame can you get. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #161
That's the only explination for your nonsensical posts. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #163
I just love poster that have to proclaim themselves the "winner". mikeysnot Feb 2013 #164
One of the boys was shot repeatedly AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #189
No I wasn't wrong. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #191
You harped on the innocence of the gun AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #195
I hope they don't start talking about rope control or banning ropes. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #217
How could he have forced his wife to watch CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #50
To be graphic, Lars39 Feb 2013 #97
Right CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #116
I have to agree lostinhere Feb 2013 #23
a gun is a gun. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #68
That is nonsensical... lostinhere Feb 2013 #126
so you witnessed the crime? mikeysnot Feb 2013 #128
No. Did you? lostinhere Feb 2013 #225
well, he SHOT them with a GUN. spanone Feb 2013 #136
Gosh I missed that -I guess i should read more carefully. nt el_bryanto Feb 2013 #139
He shot one son, but strangled both obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #168
Gunshine State HockeyMom Feb 2013 #8
Gosh. Why didn't she have a gun of her own? SheilaT Feb 2013 #9
I would have been hanging off his back fighting him Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #118
The report says she did obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #169
There are no words that can describe how horrible this is. iandhr Feb 2013 #10
He did use a non-assault weapon Recursion Feb 2013 #22
If he didn't have ANY guns, the kids could have gotten away. They all could valerief Feb 2013 #33
No, it says he strangled both. Awful Recursion Feb 2013 #34
No, that's not what it says. And the kids would have gotten away if he had no gun. valerief Feb 2013 #43
You don't know that thetonka Feb 2013 #98
That is not true AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #73
You need to stop. Who cares what kind of gun he used? Chorophyll Feb 2013 #103
I'm questioning why the headline said "assault weapon", when the assault weapon was a handgun Recursion Feb 2013 #104
Then write a letter to the editor. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #106
Which ones, and why? (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #107
The ones that place more importance on proving a gun is innocent than on Chorophyll Feb 2013 #151
Except that's none of them Recursion Feb 2013 #152
Okay. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #153
He killed them with his hands obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #170
I read he strangled both of them then finished them off with shots AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #187
And gun nuts say SUVs kill more people. Initech Feb 2013 #11
to them i say ,well the answer is obvious if suv's kill more people then you dont need a gun to leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #36
Indeed. October Feb 2013 #44
Just look at this thread to see the excuses they make libtodeath Feb 2013 #51
Just wrong,so wrong hollysmom Feb 2013 #16
The "assault weapon" was not used - it was found in a bag hack89 Feb 2013 #17
Where in the story does it say the assault weapon was not used? AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #26
When it says he used the .38, and they found a TEC-9 in a duffel bag Recursion Feb 2013 #28
It says he used the 38 "on himself" AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #31
Yes, fine, it's possible he used the TEC-9 and they didn't mention it Recursion Feb 2013 #52
Answer me this: AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #59
Obviously the crime Recursion Feb 2013 #60
If it were obvious, I wouldn't have asked the question AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #64
Yes, you would have, because you like to pretend a moral superiority Recursion Feb 2013 #67
All I have to go by are your comments in this thread AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #71
It's a *handgun* Recursion Feb 2013 #78
You are not fixated on the handgun, you are fixated on the assault weapon AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #81
The assault weapon *IS A HANDGUN* Recursion Feb 2013 #82
Yeah, so is an UZI AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #142
An uzi is a submachine gun. This is a perfectly normal pistol Recursion Feb 2013 #146
The smaller variants of which are 'machine pistols' AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #188
Wow, someone corrected your ignorance of the facts DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #157
You guys remind me of... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #190
You remind me of some guy that has absolutely no idea what he is talking about DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #192
Look before you leap AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #194
We know the TEC 9 was not the pistol that was used hack89 Feb 2013 #237
I'm sure you guys are thankful.... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #238
No - it is the inflammatory headline used to advance a political agenda hack89 Feb 2013 #239
Only a crackpot would become 'inflamed' by the headline AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #242
Judging by many of the responses here hack89 Feb 2013 #244
There are three or four people 'inflamed' by the headline AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #245
Including you hack89 Feb 2013 #246
I'm not a gun nut AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #247
Nuts come in many different flavors. hack89 Feb 2013 #248
And gun nuts come in one flavor AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #249
I merely pointed out that the headline was misleading hack89 Feb 2013 #250
The reaction by gun nuts in this thread AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #251
YOUR comment shows you're too ignorant/uneducated about guns that you shouldn't even be involved in Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #240
You shall sleep well tonight... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #241
It was put in the headline specifically to enrage unstable gun creeps who care more about whether DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #53
Well, I think we both agree the OP gets more traffic because of that phrase Recursion Feb 2013 #54
It doesn`t say it wasn`t used,what he shot the one child with is not specified. libtodeath Feb 2013 #29
I suppose it's possible he used an axe and they didn't mention that too Recursion Feb 2013 #37
Whatever,just another excuse from a gun lover libtodeath Feb 2013 #46
Is name calling your solution to all problems, or just important ones? cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #69
Truth telling is more like it. libtodeath Feb 2013 #72
It doesn't say it the TEC-9 wasn't used, but that it was found in a bag. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #39
Granted; it's possible he used the TEC-9 and they aren't saying anything about it Recursion Feb 2013 #49
The TEC-9 was found in a bag. Both kids were strangled. hack89 Feb 2013 #76
One kid was shot and one was strangled AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #79
Actually no - both were strangled and one was also shot. hack89 Feb 2013 #86
Horrific nt DesertRat Feb 2013 #20
If only he had married a gun instead of a person, this never would have happened. valerief Feb 2013 #27
If only the kids were packing heat, this wouldn't have happened. alfredo Feb 2013 #87
The Depravity Of America's Gun Culture Is Now Legend cantbeserious Feb 2013 #42
Another "Good Guy" with a gun bongbong Feb 2013 #57
Somehow, I don't think this guy was NRA material NickB79 Feb 2013 #62
His neighbors said he was a hardworking, church going, helpful neighbor AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #70
He strangled the boys. nt hack89 Feb 2013 #77
Guns...guns and more guns amuse bouche Feb 2013 #66
A lot of abused women may not realize how important it is to go to trial ecstatic Feb 2013 #74
sick sick sick sad story. nt abelenkpe Feb 2013 #75
How horrible! AndyA Feb 2013 #80
Although the gun aspect is garnering attention, I've been reading stories just like it for 50 years. freshwest Feb 2013 #110
I've heard the "preserve the family" line as well. AndyA Feb 2013 #127
There may always be two generations growing up differently and in opposition to each other. Sigh... freshwest Feb 2013 #149
Thank for you a sane post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #171
I am more into prevention - that costs money. It's why things get out of hand. We need action. freshwest Feb 2013 #175
Very good post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #216
thank you. This is nothing new, DV and all associated with it have been around for a long long time uppityperson Feb 2013 #186
8 characteristics of family annihilators Recursion Feb 2013 #84
The argument will always sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #85
Hm Recursion Feb 2013 #88
First of all, sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #219
How about a .49 caliber? Would that be OK? Recursion Feb 2013 #220
The Russians sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #222
It's certainly within Congress's power; I don't really care one way or another Recursion Feb 2013 #224
Excellent! sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #227
I'm not sure I follow that logic Recursion Feb 2013 #228
Anyone bent on killing sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #231
There will still be AR15s if the AWB passes Recursion Feb 2013 #232
I was suggesting sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #233
I like the sound of that Recursion Feb 2013 #234
Then we need to sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #235
236 posts was all it took to get complete agreement on something Recursion Feb 2013 #236
MORE GUNS! Iggo Feb 2013 #90
I've never been to Florida Ian Iam Feb 2013 #94
You don't want to HockeyMom Feb 2013 #133
Domestic violence, "traditional" gender roles, power, conrtrol, GUNS. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #100
He is another article with some more details thetonka Feb 2013 #102
I wish I hadn't read this. I think I'm going to be sick. n/t FourScore Feb 2013 #105
:( me too felt nauseous LukeFL Feb 2013 #196
The gun held her at bay while he killed the kids. Not Me Feb 2013 #109
horrible Liberal_in_LA Feb 2013 #113
That's a result of a patriarchal society. Men think they can make their Cleita Feb 2013 #114
That's nonsense Orrex Feb 2013 #130
in the OP story i believe the woman DID leave him and filed for divorce JI7 Feb 2013 #150
J17 is dead on with his/her post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #172
Domestic murder obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #165
Guns or not, this man was pure evil. Rex Feb 2013 #173
One very lost man who felt he had no choice but to commit this horror geckosfeet Feb 2013 #178
Wow, way to take away the guilt of the man. KitSileya Feb 2013 #210
Obviously he is guilty. But imo he must be deranged to commit this act. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #215
I do understand what you're saying. KitSileya Feb 2013 #218
There is that. Which may be a counseling topic. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #221
Definitely. The fetishisation of guns in certain segments of the American population is scary. KitSileya Feb 2013 #230
Frank Luntz would be proud krispos42 Feb 2013 #182
Are you implying guns are LukeFL Feb 2013 #197
Certainly not to the extent that those giant corporations are krispos42 Feb 2013 #213
A horrible, horrible incident causing this woman unimaginable grief... Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #203
By the way, not the only such incident reported today: Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #206
if she had a hand gun avaliable okieinpain Feb 2013 #209
Thats what they are saying at Freerepublic AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #243
This guy should be the posterchild (no pun intended) for the assault weapons ban davidpdx Feb 2013 #211
This is what happens when the gun grabbers ban 30 round clips jpak Feb 2013 #223
That which calls itself "Christianity" needs to examine its conscience. patrice Feb 2013 #226
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