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AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
79. One kid was shot and one was strangled
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:42 PM
Feb 2013

"A Florida man armed with an weapon that had once been banned under federal law forced his wife to watch as he strangled one of his sons and then shot a second before turning a gun on himself."

Typical RW tack to obfuscate and make excuses for the criminal.

To the RW, the thought of the gun being 'blamed' is more horrific than the crime itself.

!!!!! atreides1 Feb 2013 #1
Obviously he was not law abiding. This was premeditated murder. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #117
The point is that everyone is a responsible, law-abiding citizen Orrex Feb 2013 #121
Every man and woman is a pre-criminal? hack89 Feb 2013 #124
Is that what you think? Because it's certainly not what I wrote. Orrex Feb 2013 #132
You said everyone is a pre-criminal hack89 Feb 2013 #135
Well, it's true, we're all pre-criminals that's why the police are militarized. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #137
Show me where I used that term--otherwise you're making a false accusation Orrex Feb 2013 #138
It is that entire "lawful gun owner until they are not" meme hack89 Feb 2013 #140
Don't lay your hang-ups on me Orrex Feb 2013 #144
OK nt hack89 Feb 2013 #145
In the words of Christian Grey, "Fair point well-made!" panAmerican Feb 2013 #193
Of course not all gun owners are "a crime just waiting to happen." That smells like straw to me. nomorenomore08 Feb 2013 #207
Of course not hack89 Feb 2013 #214
Oh this is well stated! Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #143
But make no mistake--the "pre-criminal" outlook is hack89's, not mine. Orrex Feb 2013 #147
I do but I am aware that I live in an area with lots of gangs and crime. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #181
No where did that person say everyone or anyone is a pre-criminal. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #174
Perhaps the gun wars are getting to me hack89 Feb 2013 #180
"Law abiding citizen until they're not" Bake Feb 2013 #229
Of course, we are all 'pre-criminals' ... earthside Feb 2013 #176
THis post added nothing to the conversation at hand. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #183
A IMPLIES B is does not lead to B IMPLIES A. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #177
This is such a dangerous agenda: hack89 Feb 2013 #179
Agreed with that. n/t AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #162
I disagree. Most criminals have a history I would imagine Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #131
I'm sure that he was Orrex Feb 2013 #134
I do doubt that any of us are pure and law abiding in that sense. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #141
I think that we've reached a good point of agreement Orrex Feb 2013 #148
You are wonderful. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #184
You may have seen "Minority Report" too many times. Jenoch Feb 2013 #202
This has nothing to do with guns, but domestic violence obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #166
Seriously. This is a Domestic Violence story and I wish people would get upset about that uppityperson Feb 2013 #185
If didn't have a gun, he couldn't strangle them all tblue Feb 2013 #198
A gun made the domestic violence murders worse, yes. But let's also notice it was DV and be appalled uppityperson Feb 2013 #199
He strangled his first child. He shot the second child. Your logic does not work. Jenoch Feb 2013 #204
But as I implied upthread, someone with a gun has a greater means by which to commit violent crimes. nomorenomore08 Feb 2013 #208
Yes. REP Feb 2013 #212
I think I'd have to be taken directly to the psych ward after experiencing that... hlthe2b Feb 2013 #2
No wonder she divorced him. thecrow Feb 2013 #5
Killing a woman's pets for revenge is not at all rare obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #167
Nope,no regulations or restrictions needed huh NRA? libtodeath Feb 2013 #3
What law would have prevented this tragedy? hack89 Feb 2013 #15
Did you read the article or headline? libtodeath Feb 2013 #21
He seems to be the only one who did. The guy had two handguns Recursion Feb 2013 #25
It does not say it wasn`t used. libtodeath Feb 2013 #30
Yes, it does. It says the non-assault handgun was the one he used Recursion Feb 2013 #32
Wrong,it says he shot himself with the other,nothing mentioned on what he killed the one child with libtodeath Feb 2013 #40
Yes, and it's possible he used an axe that they didn't mention, too Recursion Feb 2013 #45
blah blah blah libtodeath Feb 2013 #47
No it isnt AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #55
We both clicked on the link Recursion Feb 2013 #56
Why do you exhibit horror at the thought of a particular gun being blamed for the shooting... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #63
Well, both statements are absolutely false, and frankly beneath you to suggest Recursion Feb 2013 #65
THIS. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #101
And his hands. hack89 Feb 2013 #156
You are correct. Jenoch Feb 2013 #205
What the fuck does it matter? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #201
Point to a revolver mild enough that it wouldn't accomplish what he intended in that horrific AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #200
A law banning ALL guns crim son Feb 2013 #58
We'll never know will we? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #92
Excellent argument for a nation with zero laws, dude, kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #108
Of course we need laws hack89 Feb 2013 #111
"What law would have prevented this tragedy?" Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #115
Many states.. Capt13 Feb 2013 #119
sounds like a case detailed at the NIH green for victory Feb 2013 #4
Blame anything but access the guns and murderous male rage. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #7
It's not a 'this OR that' type of situation ... Myrina Feb 2013 #14
Could have been a contributing factor maxsolomon Feb 2013 #35
Well, very very few of them Recursion Feb 2013 #38
I know of only one. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #41
I was thinking of the woman who drove her kids into a reservoir in the car Recursion Feb 2013 #48
Along with not killing the children in front of the spouse maxsolomon Feb 2013 #95
Right, and not killing the spouse (though this guy didn't kill the wife either) Recursion Feb 2013 #96
What about that woman in Texas several years ago ... Myrina Feb 2013 #89
Postpartum psychosis... AnneD Feb 2013 #93
Do you care? AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #13
He recently became a Mormon as well - very sad story el_bryanto Feb 2013 #6
Guns didn't cause this? I doubt the coroner's report agrees with you. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #12
I think a person that disturbed would have done it in some other way el_bryanto Feb 2013 #18
Well, the assault weapon he didn't use certainly didn't cause it (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #19
Both of the boys were stangled, so the coroner's report will probably agree with him. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #24
Even if this guy had no guns at all, those boys would still be dead. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #61
Who says they stood still or were threatened with a gun? DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #83
So he killed himself with a gun? mikeysnot Feb 2013 #91
...which doesn't change the fact that the boys would be dead DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #99
He fended her off with the gun deal with it. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #112
You made that up. Deal with it. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #120
project much. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #122
Nope. But you sure do. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #123
sad mikeysnot Feb 2013 #129
You wanted a serious reply to 'project much'? LOL DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #155
right back at yah! mikeysnot Feb 2013 #159
Didn't catch this the first time. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #125
If the person you are trying to intimidate doesn't care if they die DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #154
Reality catch it. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #158
So you admit you are wrong. Good for you. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #160
How lame can you get. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #161
That's the only explination for your nonsensical posts. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #163
I just love poster that have to proclaim themselves the "winner". mikeysnot Feb 2013 #164
One of the boys was shot repeatedly AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #189
No I wasn't wrong. DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #191
You harped on the innocence of the gun AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #195
I hope they don't start talking about rope control or banning ropes. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #217
How could he have forced his wife to watch CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #50
To be graphic, Lars39 Feb 2013 #97
Right CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #116
I have to agree lostinhere Feb 2013 #23
a gun is a gun. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #68
That is nonsensical... lostinhere Feb 2013 #126
so you witnessed the crime? mikeysnot Feb 2013 #128
No. Did you? lostinhere Feb 2013 #225
well, he SHOT them with a GUN. spanone Feb 2013 #136
Gosh I missed that -I guess i should read more carefully. nt el_bryanto Feb 2013 #139
He shot one son, but strangled both obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #168
Gunshine State HockeyMom Feb 2013 #8
Gosh. Why didn't she have a gun of her own? SheilaT Feb 2013 #9
I would have been hanging off his back fighting him Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #118
The report says she did obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #169
There are no words that can describe how horrible this is. iandhr Feb 2013 #10
He did use a non-assault weapon Recursion Feb 2013 #22
If he didn't have ANY guns, the kids could have gotten away. They all could valerief Feb 2013 #33
No, it says he strangled both. Awful Recursion Feb 2013 #34
No, that's not what it says. And the kids would have gotten away if he had no gun. valerief Feb 2013 #43
You don't know that thetonka Feb 2013 #98
That is not true AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #73
You need to stop. Who cares what kind of gun he used? Chorophyll Feb 2013 #103
I'm questioning why the headline said "assault weapon", when the assault weapon was a handgun Recursion Feb 2013 #104
Then write a letter to the editor. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #106
Which ones, and why? (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #107
The ones that place more importance on proving a gun is innocent than on Chorophyll Feb 2013 #151
Except that's none of them Recursion Feb 2013 #152
Okay. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #153
He killed them with his hands obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #170
I read he strangled both of them then finished them off with shots AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #187
And gun nuts say SUVs kill more people. Initech Feb 2013 #11
to them i say ,well the answer is obvious if suv's kill more people then you dont need a gun to leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #36
Indeed. October Feb 2013 #44
Just look at this thread to see the excuses they make libtodeath Feb 2013 #51
Just wrong,so wrong hollysmom Feb 2013 #16
The "assault weapon" was not used - it was found in a bag hack89 Feb 2013 #17
Where in the story does it say the assault weapon was not used? AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #26
When it says he used the .38, and they found a TEC-9 in a duffel bag Recursion Feb 2013 #28
It says he used the 38 "on himself" AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #31
Yes, fine, it's possible he used the TEC-9 and they didn't mention it Recursion Feb 2013 #52
Answer me this: AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #59
Obviously the crime Recursion Feb 2013 #60
If it were obvious, I wouldn't have asked the question AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #64
Yes, you would have, because you like to pretend a moral superiority Recursion Feb 2013 #67
All I have to go by are your comments in this thread AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #71
It's a *handgun* Recursion Feb 2013 #78
You are not fixated on the handgun, you are fixated on the assault weapon AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #81
The assault weapon *IS A HANDGUN* Recursion Feb 2013 #82
Yeah, so is an UZI AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #142
An uzi is a submachine gun. This is a perfectly normal pistol Recursion Feb 2013 #146
The smaller variants of which are 'machine pistols' AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #188
Wow, someone corrected your ignorance of the facts DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #157
You guys remind me of... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #190
You remind me of some guy that has absolutely no idea what he is talking about DesMoinesDem Feb 2013 #192
Look before you leap AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #194
We know the TEC 9 was not the pistol that was used hack89 Feb 2013 #237
I'm sure you guys are thankful.... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #238
No - it is the inflammatory headline used to advance a political agenda hack89 Feb 2013 #239
Only a crackpot would become 'inflamed' by the headline AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #242
Judging by many of the responses here hack89 Feb 2013 #244
There are three or four people 'inflamed' by the headline AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #245
Including you hack89 Feb 2013 #246
I'm not a gun nut AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #247
Nuts come in many different flavors. hack89 Feb 2013 #248
And gun nuts come in one flavor AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #249
I merely pointed out that the headline was misleading hack89 Feb 2013 #250
The reaction by gun nuts in this thread AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #251
YOUR comment shows you're too ignorant/uneducated about guns that you shouldn't even be involved in Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #240
You shall sleep well tonight... AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #241
It was put in the headline specifically to enrage unstable gun creeps who care more about whether DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #53
Well, I think we both agree the OP gets more traffic because of that phrase Recursion Feb 2013 #54
It doesn`t say it wasn`t used,what he shot the one child with is not specified. libtodeath Feb 2013 #29
I suppose it's possible he used an axe and they didn't mention that too Recursion Feb 2013 #37
Whatever,just another excuse from a gun lover libtodeath Feb 2013 #46
Is name calling your solution to all problems, or just important ones? cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #69
Truth telling is more like it. libtodeath Feb 2013 #72
It doesn't say it the TEC-9 wasn't used, but that it was found in a bag. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #39
Granted; it's possible he used the TEC-9 and they aren't saying anything about it Recursion Feb 2013 #49
The TEC-9 was found in a bag. Both kids were strangled. hack89 Feb 2013 #76
One kid was shot and one was strangled AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #79
Actually no - both were strangled and one was also shot. hack89 Feb 2013 #86
Horrific nt DesertRat Feb 2013 #20
If only he had married a gun instead of a person, this never would have happened. valerief Feb 2013 #27
If only the kids were packing heat, this wouldn't have happened. alfredo Feb 2013 #87
The Depravity Of America's Gun Culture Is Now Legend cantbeserious Feb 2013 #42
Another "Good Guy" with a gun bongbong Feb 2013 #57
Somehow, I don't think this guy was NRA material NickB79 Feb 2013 #62
His neighbors said he was a hardworking, church going, helpful neighbor AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #70
He strangled the boys. nt hack89 Feb 2013 #77
Guns...guns and more guns amuse bouche Feb 2013 #66
A lot of abused women may not realize how important it is to go to trial ecstatic Feb 2013 #74
sick sick sick sad story. nt abelenkpe Feb 2013 #75
How horrible! AndyA Feb 2013 #80
Although the gun aspect is garnering attention, I've been reading stories just like it for 50 years. freshwest Feb 2013 #110
I've heard the "preserve the family" line as well. AndyA Feb 2013 #127
There may always be two generations growing up differently and in opposition to each other. Sigh... freshwest Feb 2013 #149
Thank for you a sane post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #171
I am more into prevention - that costs money. It's why things get out of hand. We need action. freshwest Feb 2013 #175
Very good post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #216
thank you. This is nothing new, DV and all associated with it have been around for a long long time uppityperson Feb 2013 #186
8 characteristics of family annihilators Recursion Feb 2013 #84
The argument will always sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #85
Hm Recursion Feb 2013 #88
First of all, sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #219
How about a .49 caliber? Would that be OK? Recursion Feb 2013 #220
The Russians sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #222
It's certainly within Congress's power; I don't really care one way or another Recursion Feb 2013 #224
Excellent! sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #227
I'm not sure I follow that logic Recursion Feb 2013 #228
Anyone bent on killing sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #231
There will still be AR15s if the AWB passes Recursion Feb 2013 #232
I was suggesting sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #233
I like the sound of that Recursion Feb 2013 #234
Then we need to sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #235
236 posts was all it took to get complete agreement on something Recursion Feb 2013 #236
MORE GUNS! Iggo Feb 2013 #90
I've never been to Florida Ian Iam Feb 2013 #94
You don't want to HockeyMom Feb 2013 #133
Domestic violence, "traditional" gender roles, power, conrtrol, GUNS. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #100
He is another article with some more details thetonka Feb 2013 #102
I wish I hadn't read this. I think I'm going to be sick. n/t FourScore Feb 2013 #105
:( me too felt nauseous LukeFL Feb 2013 #196
The gun held her at bay while he killed the kids. Not Me Feb 2013 #109
horrible Liberal_in_LA Feb 2013 #113
That's a result of a patriarchal society. Men think they can make their Cleita Feb 2013 #114
That's nonsense Orrex Feb 2013 #130
in the OP story i believe the woman DID leave him and filed for divorce JI7 Feb 2013 #150
J17 is dead on with his/her post obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #172
Domestic murder obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #165
Guns or not, this man was pure evil. Rex Feb 2013 #173
One very lost man who felt he had no choice but to commit this horror geckosfeet Feb 2013 #178
Wow, way to take away the guilt of the man. KitSileya Feb 2013 #210
Obviously he is guilty. But imo he must be deranged to commit this act. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #215
I do understand what you're saying. KitSileya Feb 2013 #218
There is that. Which may be a counseling topic. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #221
Definitely. The fetishisation of guns in certain segments of the American population is scary. KitSileya Feb 2013 #230
Frank Luntz would be proud krispos42 Feb 2013 #182
Are you implying guns are LukeFL Feb 2013 #197
Certainly not to the extent that those giant corporations are krispos42 Feb 2013 #213
A horrible, horrible incident causing this woman unimaginable grief... Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #203
By the way, not the only such incident reported today: Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #206
if she had a hand gun avaliable okieinpain Feb 2013 #209
Thats what they are saying at Freerepublic AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #243
This guy should be the posterchild (no pun intended) for the assault weapons ban davidpdx Feb 2013 #211
This is what happens when the gun grabbers ban 30 round clips jpak Feb 2013 #223
That which calls itself "Christianity" needs to examine its conscience. patrice Feb 2013 #226
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