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krispos42

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24. Why not?

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:57 PM

Feb 2013

People don't commit crimes because they have a gun; they commit crimes using a gun as a tool.

In other words, guns are among the tools used, they are not the motive.

Legalizing drugs will noticeably reduce the direct aggregate motive to commit crimes. And by putting fewer people in jail every year, we will be having fewer career criminals exiting jail, reducing the indirect aggregate motive to commit crimes.

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I think one of the reasons the NRA is harping on the 'background check' issue is because... [View all] Tx4obama Feb 2013 OP

+10000. Merely enacting stricter BG checks, while better than nothing, still ignores these weapon Hoyt Feb 2013 #1

The background checks will prevent unregulated straw men... Deep13 Feb 2013 #2

I'm not saying that back ground checks aren't important, they are. But ... Tx4obama Feb 2013 #3

The current Federal laws against straw buying aren't working now Lurks Often Feb 2013 #7

But you can still do it by calling it a personal transfer. Deep13 Feb 2013 #9

But if nobody enforces the law Lurks Often Feb 2013 #14

It is enforced. The FBI check is a precondition for a lawful... Deep13 Feb 2013 #17

I disagree as to the effectiveness of a NICS check Lurks Often Feb 2013 #20

Anyone who can get heroin will also always be able to get a gun. That's not what this is about Recursion Feb 2013 #39

Please stop with these worn out arguments. They are used by the NRA and we don't need CTyankee Feb 2013 #18

I'm not saying nothing can be done, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #19

but what I'd like to not see you stop there. It implies "oh, too bad..." and nothing more. CTyankee Feb 2013 #21

Release non-violent drug offenders Lurks Often Feb 2013 #23

Good ideas! CTyankee Feb 2013 #25

It isn't so much my theory, but Lurks Often Feb 2013 #35

And . . . it wouldn't be effective. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #4

Yup, if Congress tries to regulate in state, private sales through the Commerce Clause, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #6

It only has to have an effect on interstate commerce. Deep13 Feb 2013 #10

We're getting deep into legalese with this, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #13

The states don't have to agree. Deep13 Feb 2013 #16

Bingo. They know they will lose on something. So they offer that issue up. applegrove Feb 2013 #5

I think the opposite. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #8

But my OP wasn't about which is more useful, it's about how the NRA is trying to put ... Tx4obama Feb 2013 #12

I know. I was just commenting on that particular statement. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #15

If you think an AWB is useful, you'd be incorrect. krispos42 Feb 2013 #11

Let's not get into drug laws here, altho there is a huge connection in inner city violence. I just CTyankee Feb 2013 #22

Why not? krispos42 Feb 2013 #24

THis falls under the "art of the possible" which is what politics is. CTyankee Feb 2013 #29

Here is what is driving me absolutely up a wall. krispos42 Feb 2013 #37

good. Have you contacted your own reps/sens with these suggestions? CTyankee Feb 2013 #38

No,I do all my griping and such on DU. krispos42 Feb 2013 #40

well, we're not going to change the laws here at DU, are we? CTyankee Feb 2013 #41

Yes they do commit crimes because they have a gun. Zimmerman would have sat in his car without a gun Hoyt Feb 2013 #31

So says you. krispos42 Feb 2013 #36

Despite your support for Zimmie, I think he was just another chicken chit bolstered by his gun. Hoyt Feb 2013 #43

My support for Zimmerman? krispos42 Feb 2013 #44

They are relying on everyone having ADDHD... liberal N proud Feb 2013 #26

I agree. Zimmerman, Loughner, Holmes, Stawicki, etc., had legal weapons and some had permits. Hoyt Feb 2013 #27

Right, but the AWB addresses 0% of the problem Recursion Feb 2013 #32

No, a new AWB -- "A" defined as semi-autos -- will all but shut down the gun industry. Hoyt Feb 2013 #33

A semi-auto ban would accomplish something. Get somebody to introduce one (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #34

Actually was listening to an NPR program where they had an NRA supporter nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #28

Background checks are much much much more important and a much better idea Recursion Feb 2013 #30

Fine. Get to your reps/sens and let them know EXACTLY what you have said here! CTyankee Feb 2013 #42

My Rep can't vote and I have no Senators Recursion Feb 2013 #46

That is a shame. And a national disgrace. CTyankee Feb 2013 #47

It would hurt sales to Mexican drug cartels. moondust Feb 2013 #45