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HiPointDem

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17. If you want to comment on it, you apparently DO have to have a PhD in legalese, because one

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:58 AM

Feb 2013

is required to understand the texts to be commented on.

Which effectively removes the opportunity for most citizens to comment.

Which is actually the reason all these notices are in legalese. The point IS to limit discussion to 'experts'.

Then the "expert class" turns around & berates ordinary people because they don't participate, had the opportunity to comment, etc.

It's just bullshit. The government doesn't WANT input from the general public. It doesn't WANT people to understand. If it actually did, it'd make stuff like this accessible to the general public.

It's rather sickening to see people berated for not understanding what's going on. That is the fault of the ruling establishment, not the people.

Personally, I don't believe they just pulled that number out of their butts; it's likely a ballpark for the kind of plan they're talking about.

Which means a large chunk of the population, not just "the poor," will be priced out.

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Can someone please help debunk this? I tried but I can't understand the regulation. [View all] DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 OP

The fine is small and pretty much toothless bluestateguy Feb 2013 #1

I'm not trying to debate it. I'm trying to debunk the 20,000 for a family of 4 or 5 being the lowest DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #3

The $20,000 is a hypothetical example of what a family of 4 might pay for insurance. elleng Feb 2013 #7

The time for debate is never "over & done with" if people don't like a law. Regardless of the merit HiPointDem Feb 2013 #11

I think most of it is subsidized for lower income people so most will not pay this.n't Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #2

Do you know who will be considered low income in this case? I mean how much can you make and DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #4

I found this Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #5

First, its a PROPOSED regulation; elleng Feb 2013 #6

Or...we could just let other peoples' rates increase to cover those without insurance The Straight Story Feb 2013 #8

Right. Public hearing May 29, at IRS Building, Washington, DC. elleng Feb 2013 #9

I think I can explain this. cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #10

Good work; thanks. elleng Feb 2013 #12

I'm confused. The # is an average of what insurance companies are charging for a plan that HiPointDem Feb 2013 #13

This is a legal NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING. elleng Feb 2013 #14

If you want to comment on it, you apparently DO have to have a PhD in legalese, because one HiPointDem Feb 2013 #17

Look at post #15, for an idea about where the number came from. elleng Feb 2013 #20

and yet i have no trouble at all understanding the legislation that created social security. you HiPointDem Feb 2013 #23

My family, husband a federal employee elleng Feb 2013 #24

So what? US median household income = $50K. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27

brilliant. a post that nails it exactly. green for victory Feb 2013 #22

+ 100 It DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #31

Thank you very much. "not a statement of fact" This is what I was looking for. It appears we still DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #29

My husband and I will be paying DebJ Feb 2013 #15

Thanks for shedding light, for those who are unaware. elleng Feb 2013 #16

Ours is Highmark Blue Shield PPO DebJ Feb 2013 #18

We've got BC PPO also, elleng Feb 2013 #19

In the very pdf linked and example: make 120k year, pay 2,700 a year The Straight Story Feb 2013 #21

Another good point DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #30

Those numbers aren't unrealistic madville Feb 2013 #25

Right, not unrealistic. elleng Feb 2013 #26

"crazy expensive" & only affordable because her employer pays it. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28

IRS BRONZE PLAN OF 20,000 is not an OBAMACARE PLAN it is an Estimate of PRIVATE INSURANCE BRONZE PLN mahilena Feb 2013 #32