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Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
5. I found this
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:06 AM
Feb 2013

Third, many of those who do decide to buy an insurance policy under the law won’t pay full price. Of the 33 million previously uninsured who would gain coverage by 2022, according to the CBO, 17 million would join Medicaid or the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Twenty-two million would buy coverage through the state-based exchanges, and only 5 million of those would do so without receiving any government subsidy. (Also, the CBO projects a net 3 million dropping employer coverage and another 3 million dropping individual coverage, which is how it gets a total net of 33 million gaining insurance.) Those earning under 400 percent of the federal poverty level would be eligible for subsidies, and the average subsidy per exchange enrollee would be $7,270 in 2022, the CBO estimates. That’s an average, so the subsidy each individual receives could vary substantially.

It’s true that a health insurance policy purchased by a family on the state-based exchanges, or now on the individual market, could cost about $4,700 for the year, or substantially more. And the CBO estimated in a May 2011 report that some families would pay that much and more even with the help of federal subsidies. Under the CBO’s hypothetical example for the first year of the subsidies (2014), a family at 150 percent of the poverty level would pay $1,200 for an insurance policy and a family at 350 percent of the poverty level would pay $6,700, with subsidies that exceed that amount.


CBO, May 2011: In the first year of the illustration, premiums for the reference plan for a family of four are assumed to be $15,000, and the federal poverty level is assumed to be $20,000. In this hypothetical example, a family with income equal to 150 percent of the FPL (or $30,000) will be required by the law to pay up to 4.0 percent of its income ($1,200) to enroll in the reference plan and thus will be entitled to a subsidy of $13,800 ($15,000 minus $1,200). Families with higher income will be required to pay a larger percentage of their income to enroll in the reference plan. Specifically, a family with income equal to 250 percent of the FPL will pay 8.1 percent of its income to enroll in the reference plan (about $4,000) and will receive a subsidy of about $11,000, and a family with income equal to 350 percent of the FPL will pay 9.5 percent of its income (about $6,700) and will receive a subsidy of about $8,400.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/twisting-health-care-taxes/

The fine is small and pretty much toothless bluestateguy Feb 2013 #1
I'm not trying to debate it. I'm trying to debunk the 20,000 for a family of 4 or 5 being the lowest DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #3
The $20,000 is a hypothetical example of what a family of 4 might pay for insurance. elleng Feb 2013 #7
The time for debate is never "over & done with" if people don't like a law. Regardless of the merit HiPointDem Feb 2013 #11
I think most of it is subsidized for lower income people so most will not pay this.n't Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #2
Do you know who will be considered low income in this case? I mean how much can you make and DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #4
I found this Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #5
First, its a PROPOSED regulation; elleng Feb 2013 #6
Or...we could just let other peoples' rates increase to cover those without insurance The Straight Story Feb 2013 #8
Right. Public hearing May 29, at IRS Building, Washington, DC. elleng Feb 2013 #9
I think I can explain this. cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #10
Good work; thanks. elleng Feb 2013 #12
I'm confused. The # is an average of what insurance companies are charging for a plan that HiPointDem Feb 2013 #13
This is a legal NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING. elleng Feb 2013 #14
If you want to comment on it, you apparently DO have to have a PhD in legalese, because one HiPointDem Feb 2013 #17
Look at post #15, for an idea about where the number came from. elleng Feb 2013 #20
and yet i have no trouble at all understanding the legislation that created social security. you HiPointDem Feb 2013 #23
My family, husband a federal employee elleng Feb 2013 #24
So what? US median household income = $50K. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27
brilliant. a post that nails it exactly. green for victory Feb 2013 #22
+ 100 It DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #31
Thank you very much. "not a statement of fact" This is what I was looking for. It appears we still DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #29
My husband and I will be paying DebJ Feb 2013 #15
Thanks for shedding light, for those who are unaware. elleng Feb 2013 #16
Ours is Highmark Blue Shield PPO DebJ Feb 2013 #18
We've got BC PPO also, elleng Feb 2013 #19
In the very pdf linked and example: make 120k year, pay 2,700 a year The Straight Story Feb 2013 #21
Another good point DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #30
Those numbers aren't unrealistic madville Feb 2013 #25
Right, not unrealistic. elleng Feb 2013 #26
"crazy expensive" & only affordable because her employer pays it. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28
IRS BRONZE PLAN OF 20,000 is not an OBAMACARE PLAN it is an Estimate of PRIVATE INSURANCE BRONZE PLN mahilena Feb 2013 #32
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