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88. Appreciate and understand what you are going through

Reply to LibDemAlways (Reply #87)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:54 PM

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So the new immigration bill would increase visas for high tech jobs. How will this help us again? [View all] still_one Jan 2013 OP

It's not about helping us. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #1

very sad still_one Jan 2013 #2

Yep Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #4

sorry, not corporations introducing this bill. it's dems and repubs in congress nt msongs Jan 2013 #11

Correct. On whose behalf do you suppose this little provision was introduced?? MrSlayer Jan 2013 #12

who exactly do you think they work for? Skittles Jan 2013 #13

That's adorable. nt Union Scribe Jan 2013 #14

the dems and pubs are bribed to introduce it. yes, bribed, because our system is one of legal HiPointDem Jan 2013 #18

"...the corporations write the bills, the legislators sign them..." KansDem Jan 2013 #53

Dems and Repubs bowing to their corporate overlords n/t OhioChick Jan 2013 #50

Naive much? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #56

I agree....worked for EDS a few years ago Gin Jan 2013 #28

This. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #47

thanks for saving me the typing n/t Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #69

BINGO! Foreigners are paid way less and corporations make billions! DearHeart Jan 2013 #73

+100000000000000 limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #78

It's always about the profits. Always. gateley Jan 2013 #85

you're absolutely right liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #90

It will help corporations make even MORE profits, which they will kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #3

It will help us by providing more low income service jobs for Americans. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #5

I want to see the undocumented workers get help, but I absolutely do not want to see JDPriestly Jan 2013 #6

I agree with you, my disappointment was the high tech job visa still_one Jan 2013 #7

I would like to see e-verify become mandatory for 3-4 years amandabeech Jan 2013 #41

It Is Like What I Posted In The Past ---- WAGE PARITY WITH THE THIRD WORLD TheMastersNemesis Jan 2013 #8

+100000 Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2013 #51

Then what keeps them in the USA? KansDem Jan 2013 #54

Ask anyone in the high tech field if more LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #9

I know. I am a software engineer and I agree still_one Jan 2013 #10

My software engineer husband was laid off from LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #35

Sounds a lot like my situation. After 20 plus years they let us go. I too found a job, but took a still_one Jan 2013 #65

My husband was 59 when he was let go. The ageism he encountered LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #87

Appreciate and understand what you are going through still_one Jan 2013 #88

if the Americans are unemployed hfojvt Jan 2013 #32

Well, those jobs aren't being offered to Americans. LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #34

Because the Americans will have other options jeff47 Jan 2013 #36

but if they do not have other options now hfojvt Jan 2013 #45

They don't have the option to get massively underpaid jeff47 Jan 2013 #66

Employees won't just leave unless the pay in their job and/or the working conditions are JDPriestly Jan 2013 #76

FFS, try reading. jeff47 Jan 2013 #82

But the interest in unemployed Americans in finding jobs should be more highly considered JDPriestly Jan 2013 #89

When there are or were plenty of jobs, H1-B visas were not such a controversial subject. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #75

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This will make the RICH us ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #16

So, only lower paid workers should lose jobs to immigrants? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #17

as with everything, they start with those least able to defend themselves, with fewest allies, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #19

All immigrants are either children, retired/disabled or working age adults. If they are working age, pampango Jan 2013 #20

H1Bs aren't immigrants jeff47 Jan 2013 #21

I knew that but it is an important distinction, so thanks for pointing it out. pampango Jan 2013 #22

Which is why you chose to change the subject, I guess. Romulox Jan 2013 #26

From the poster I was responding to? pampango Jan 2013 #38

No. Not all immigrants should be low-paid workers. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #77

H-1Bs are non-immigrant visas that allow the holder to seek permanent residence WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #24

You speak of theory. Here's how it works in reality jeff47 Jan 2013 #31

Response - lengthy WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #46

Thank you for your post. MrYikes Jan 2013 #52

Your perspective is from an environment where people stay close to theory jeff47 Jan 2013 #68

A couple of responses WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #74

unless the employer is committing fraud JDPriestly Jan 2013 #81

I'm well aware that there are penalties that are supposed to prevent fraud jeff47 Jan 2013 #86

The H1-B visas bring in people to fill jobs that Americans could be trained or are capable of doing. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #80

H1Bs are not cheap. athena Jan 2013 #49

They're cheaper than the alternative jeff47 Jan 2013 #67

There is no 'regular' visa that does not leave them at the whim of an employer WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #70

Read your first damn 4 words jeff47 Jan 2013 #72

+1000 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #57

What a ridiculous answer. TL;DNR version: "you gotta exploit SOMEBODY!". Romulox Jan 2013 #25

What does "TL;DNR version: you gotta exploit SOMEBODY!" mean? pampango Jan 2013 #33

Things change. earthside Jan 2013 #30

+1 area51 Jan 2013 #92

Still waiting for a *coherent* answer to this one. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #27

I don't think that you're going to get a coherent answer to any immigration amandabeech Jan 2013 #43

The story back when they were losing those jobs jeff47 Jan 2013 #39

Two reactions lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #58

The only "us" it helps are profiteers. ananda Jan 2013 #23

We call working class people "racists" for daring to ask this question. Why are white collar Romulox Jan 2013 #29

Good question. n/t amandabeech Jan 2013 #44

Heh. +1. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #59

H1Bs provide one of the few skilled labor pathways to citizenship in the United States ponsheki Jan 2013 #37

If you want to encourage such people to move here jeff47 Jan 2013 #40

Well said, jeff47. pampango Jan 2013 #48

That isn't what has been happening. There are plenty of highly skilled people here who want to work still_one Jan 2013 #61

There is a real shortage of EEs and MechEs Recursion Jan 2013 #71

H1-B visas take jobs from qualified Americans. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #83

Because they pay Social Security and Medicare taxes but don't receive benefits Recursion Jan 2013 #42

That is an interesting point, not necessarily fair to them still_one Jan 2013 #62

Not *remotely* fair to them Recursion Jan 2013 #63

Define "us". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #55

Because skilled immigrants who earn good salaries buy cars, which helps car dealers. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #60

Skilled immigrants with regular visas who wait their turn can do that. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #84

An enormous group of engineers and scientists are in their later forties and fifties. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #64

It was even in the inauguration speech limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #79

It also creates a brain drain in developing countries LittleBlue Jan 2013 #91

K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #93