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In reply to the discussion: Why are those here who eat meat so defensive? [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)174. Actually, the US effectively banned leaded gas in 1975
In that new cars were required to have catalytic converters, which means they can't burn leaded gasoline. What that allowed is a phase-out of leaded gas that did not fuck over the poor - they were not suddenly required to pay much more for gas.
This wasn't a problem for Europe, because their poor were much more likely to be using mass transit. Thus a sudden cut-off was less economically damaging.
while the U.S. citizenry resisted grass-roots efforts to abandon it due to massive industry and commercial propaganda.
Yes, it had nothing to do with unleaded costing several times the price of leaded gas. Truly. The prices on every single gas pump were utterly irrelevant to the discussion.
And never once have I claimed that meat and lead are equally toxic. That is why I used the word "like" instead of a phrase "as toxic".
So I need to link the definition of "like" for you?
You are now saying meat and lead have similar levels of toxicity. That's what "like" means.
In reality, lead is toxic, meat isn't. They are not at all "like" each other.
Both meat production and lead use have human health and environmental impacts.
No, lead has devastating and long-lasting environmental impacts that can not be avoided.
Meat production can be done in a 'clean' manner - in fact many other countries require it. Factory farms in the US are already required to maintain certain levels of "cleanliness". That could be increased by legislation while still producing meat.
There is no way to use leaded gasoline in a clean manner.
And as I said above, your primary environmental complaints are in plant production, not meat production. Yes, the plants are used as feed, but it's the production of the plants that causes fertilizer runoff and the rest of your eariler complaints.
huge sewage pools
What do you think happens after you flush the toilet? Your crap flows into huge sewage pools for treatment.
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no idea but why do non meat eaters feel the need to lecture or moralise. i think its a two way stre
loli phabay
Jan 2013
#1
personally i dont care if someone dosent eat meat same as its none of their business if i cut the
loli phabay
Jan 2013
#7
I would say don't worry about whether a picture would change somebody's opinion
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2013
#62
oking your finger in someone's eye isn't a sign of being defensive at all.
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#132
I support thousands of bambis, plus antelope, elk, coyote, bear, wild turkey, feral pigs, quail,
DeschutesRiver
Jan 2013
#173
Yeah, yeah. I know. Everyone on DU either eats humanely raised meat or hunts their own.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#40
if you thought you were going to convert duers, it probably was going to be a long shot
quinnox
Jan 2013
#42
If I graphically described and showed you pictures of what plants actually go through
jeff47
Jan 2013
#59
Knock off the dualism, either/or skirmishing. We be omnivores. Teeth and digestive tract prove it.
ancianita
Jan 2013
#10
There are plenty of environmental and health issues about the production of meat and
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#29
Totally with you on that. But we do still have four canines for tearing meat. Just sayin.'
ancianita
Jan 2013
#122
There's substantial evidence that as we learned to cook our food - including meat...
trotsky
Jan 2013
#153
Perhaps the female neanderthals found males with narrow jaws and larger skulls to be more attractive
FBaggins
Jan 2013
#158
I think most people get defensive when they get a sense that they are singled out.
bluestate10
Jan 2013
#12
Because anytime anyone posts anything in defense of animals OR the benefits of a vegetable
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#27
Ah no. An OP advancing a vegetable based diet is the offense. Bloody meat is the defense.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#93
What you eat, if what you eat is controlled by the corporate food industry, does indeed
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#115
Certainly. And telling people they shouldn't use lead paint was largely ineffectual for decades
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#121
Food activists, like the most activist movement, start out with the vast majority on the other side.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#145
*Sigh* lead was an additive and not necessary. Most of the western world abandoned lead
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#90
I grasp the chemistry. I also grasp why the rest of the western world abandoned lead
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#101
It should have been banned long before then. It's toxicity from the getgo
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#179
IMO, the best way to advance vegetarianism: Open a good veget. Restaurant...
Eleanors38
Jan 2013
#155
There are quite a few great vegetarian restaurants in San Francisco and most others
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#163
I am a vegetarian, and I see more vegetarians in the face of non-vegetarians then the reverse
still_one
Jan 2013
#34
Your post #64 sounds like the rationalization many anti-gay bigots express
Moses2SandyKoufax
Jan 2013
#77
I don't know about other Democrats, but this one is not ashamed of eating meat.
sadbear
Jan 2013
#86
I don't know, but I have noticed that most meat eaters are really defensive about it.
ZombieHorde
Jan 2013
#92
because of we weren't so vigilantly defensive, we'd be overrun by the meat.
Joe Shlabotnik
Jan 2013
#107
I don't know. I've been a vegetarian since I was a kid and never hassled a meat eater. I wish I
Raine
Jan 2013
#119
I don't care what anyone eats as long as they're not trying to cook me as long pig.
hobbit709
Jan 2013
#129
I love meat. Chicken mostly, but I'm also fond of Pork, Beef, and Artichokes. nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2013
#138