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farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
59. maybe because 'internally consistent' has no meaning?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jan 2013

But the data that has been made available since the 1994 report lends credence to that estimate. For example, a 2012 analysis of how handguns are sold in Michigan, the Michigan State Police reported that 48 percent of all handguntransfers in the state are conducted through private sales where no background check is required. Criminals in particular tend to seek weapons from sources where they are not subject to background checks - only 11 percent of inmates incarcerated for gun crimes said that they got the weapon from a licensed gun dealer, according to a 2004 survey.

Data from the gun industry itself also suggests sales without a background check are commonplace. According to 2010 data from the National Shooting Sports Foundation, only 45 percent of assault weapon owners reported buying their firearm from a retail location, including independent and chain retail stores. Approximately half of respondents reported buying their firearm from venues where a background check is not necessarily required, including over the Internet, from gun shows, or through a face-to-face sale.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/25/discredited-gun-researcher-john-lotts-failed-at/192391

The story of a gun: Serial number MPX753 [View all] superpatriotman Jan 2013 OP
Devil"s Right Hand MightyMopar Jan 2013 #1
The story of a gun: serial number abc-1234 Bay Boy Jan 2013 #2
The deputy who used the gun in the story never misused his gun either. Squinch Jan 2013 #5
exactly. probably no law against leaving in your car farminator3000 Jan 2013 #9
Oy. I had not heard that number. That's chilling. Squinch Jan 2013 #10
its been going down if that helps... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #13
Only police and military need guns sarisataka Jan 2013 #3
Interesting that this gun melm00se Jan 2013 #4
Obviously a member of our crack law enforcement community would stultusporcos Jan 2013 #6
What's the point? Crepuscular Jan 2013 #7
see #11 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #12
It's just a good, interesting illustration of the "chain of ownership" Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #43
Yeah, what's the whole "point thing" about learning new information?? nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #66
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the objective/reason for the article. ?? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #8
to show how 75% of 'shootings' actually happen in reality? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #11
Too few and not obeyed... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #14
so you blame the cops for criminal gun activity and not the NRA. interesting farminator3000 Jan 2013 #15
this one in particular you might want to check out farminator3000 Jan 2013 #16
How many were traced back to the original seller? ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #17
how would i know that? i'm not an NYPD detective. plus it was 3 days ago, so even though i'm farminator3000 Jan 2013 #19
FFLs are required to keep the paperwork forever. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #21
great, but they only sell 60% of guns, the others are all no BG check farminator3000 Jan 2013 #23
Uh...no. Your assertion about dealers only keeping records 24 hours is 100% false. beevul Jan 2013 #22
see #23 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #24
Umm.. dealer's records != background check records. X_Digger Jan 2013 #25
and the batf doing stuff by hand not = to sanity farminator3000 Jan 2013 #26
None of which mitigates the simple fact that you were wrong when you said... beevul Jan 2013 #27
thank you for not posting a wall of hoo-hah, makes it quicker to refute! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #29
You figured out how to use paragraphs. Good job! beevul Jan 2013 #44
serious question here- farminator3000 Jan 2013 #31
check post #29 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #30
Actually, you did misspeak.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #32
no, i was typing, and you are obsessing about a form that is meaningless farminator3000 Jan 2013 #33
Meaningless? Then why keep them? They (form 4473s) are the main means of tracing guns used in crime. X_Digger Jan 2013 #35
why keep them in a cardboard box if they are so important? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #36
Nice dodge. Still doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #37
can you please discuss something of revelance? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #38
Dealers *never* had the background check records. X_Digger Jan 2013 #39
well, that certainly is a problem, now ISN'T IT? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #40
"Mails it in"?!? You really don't know the process, do you? X_Digger Jan 2013 #41
it sure doesn't make any sense, whatever you are typing, there. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #45
The BATFE checks the 4473-- the exact same information that he read to the NICS agent for BG check. X_Digger Jan 2013 #47
reality, post #46 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #49
These guns were traced to point of sale, no? Then your contention in post #19 is incorrect. X_Digger Jan 2013 #52
maybe they bought gas while on their jolly gun buying jaunt. or used their phones. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #53
The fact that the cops could even say where they came from proves your statement wrong. X_Digger Jan 2013 #55
you have no idea what the cops know or how they know it and it proves nothing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #56
I do know what cops know, my family is a cop shop. X_Digger Jan 2013 #58
working this case, are they? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #60
To review.. BG checks != 4473's which aren't destroyed. X_Digger Jan 2013 #62
i couldn't care less about the details farminator3000 Jan 2013 #65
All states have background checks from federally licensed dealers. X_Digger Jan 2013 #67
you can't be serious. at all. dealers aren't involved at all for the 12th time farminator3000 Jan 2013 #68
If you mean private sales, then *say* private sales. X_Digger Jan 2013 #69
oh for the everloving crap of the ages. i'm saying THERE ARE TOO MANY GODDAMN GUNS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #70
i mean really. think about reality, please. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #46
Dealers are required to check ID.. for the background check. X_Digger Jan 2013 #48
THEY ARE CRIMINALS THEY DIDN'T GET THEM FROM A DEALER OR FILL OUT A FORM farminator3000 Jan 2013 #50
Which has nothing to do with Tiahardt. Keep dodging. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #51
no, tiahrt has EVERYTHING to do with this- because it is so totally awful farminator3000 Jan 2013 #54
That's not even internally consistent. X_Digger Jan 2013 #57
maybe because 'internally consistent' has no meaning? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #59
Lol, mediamatters flubbed up on the MI law.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #61
not if the a-holes at the NRA have their way, actually would be the truth farminator3000 Jan 2013 #64
Spoiler Alert: Stolen gun gets used in subsequent crime. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #18
update: there are about 500,000 stolen a year farminator3000 Jan 2013 #20
Not unusual Franker65 Jan 2013 #28
Gun stolen after being misplaced by court officer Two people in court Monday to face charges-today farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34
dont know why he left it in his car my glock is always on my hip unless im in the house loli phabay Jan 2013 #42
Story of another gun, that has no serial number, MadHound Jan 2013 #63
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