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Coyotl

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38. Both WRONG and COVER-UP story too.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jan 2013

Ronald Reagan could have talked all he wanted about a teacher in space before the launch, so forget that angle. Actually, don't forget that angle, because it would not be needed if it were not that a really awful reason DOES need to be covered up.

The timing of all this and the "need" to not cancel the launch is most interesting from the Central America perspective, where V-P Bush is committing crimes, giving 100 million dollars of aid to the Contras in violation of the Boland Amendment. This is a few months before the Iran-Contra scandal becomes public, a year before American Ben Linder is assassinated in Nicaragua by the guys Bush covertly funded. If the launch was scrubbed, Bush in Central America would have been the big news focus instead. The Challenger schedule and the decision to not alter it was more likely linked to Central America crimes than Reagan's words. Reagan could say just about the same thing either way, in space or going to be in space in a few days.

The real need of the moment was keeping the Iran-Contra scandal under wraps. There was plenty to keep covered up and away from press focus, the assassination gone wrong in Costa Rica murdered an American journalist, the 10 million dollar mistake by Ollie North to fix, the cocaine connections and the Noriega problem, plus Bush was adding to the litany of crimes in real time. The White House basement crew knew what a horrible position they were in when this decision came down. The Challenger explosion was even better better cover-up/distraction than the launch, and it took until Fall for the story to finally break. Proof of the role of Bush's crimes in the schedule remain unproven.

Today the context of the decision in not so obfuscated that we should believe your fairy tale meme about the State of the Union speech! For those of us involved in this story, in Central America and writing about it then, the underlying relationships and reasons were already as clear as that cold morning in Florida. What was also very clear to journalists by that time that the murder of an American journalist was being covered up along with the illegal support going to Reagan's not-so-secret mercenary army. A couple of days later, this journalist barely survived nine stab wounds, in my view more evidence of the gravity of the story I was penning.

KICK patrice Jan 2013 #1
This is actually true. I had a long conversation with my old boss' cousin who has been winterpark Jan 2013 #2
Phone logs showed call after call from the White House ..... Botany Jan 2013 #5
Read post #38 below about part not so true. Coyotl Jan 2013 #39
R&K. BTW, it's Feynman, not Fineman. nt longship Jan 2013 #3
thanx! Botany Jan 2013 #6
Howard Fineman is the ex-Newsweek current editorial director of the Huffington Post Media Group Dollface Jan 2013 #37
Look I got the "Fineman" part right ..... Botany Jan 2013 #53
It's Richard Feynman. Please edit your OP. yardwork Jan 2013 #58
Suppose I posted about "Brock Osama" caraher Jan 2013 #67
The man has been dead for 25 years so I doubt he is being insulted ..... Botany Jan 2013 #69
JUST FIX IT and shut UP about it, FGS. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #80
sorry ...... Botany Feb 2013 #83
Richard Feynman sofa king Jan 2013 #10
Then it's <b>Richard</b> Feynman adieu Jan 2013 #30
No, he's the HuffPo political analyst who also does MSNBC.... lastlib Jan 2013 #35
Yeesh, that makes me feel old! Phentex Jan 2013 #4
I was in second grade watching on the classroom television they wheeled in for the event. Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #16
I was in 3rd grade. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #26
I was in 4th. I totally remember the entire thing like it was yesterday. Jennicut Jan 2013 #51
I was in 3rd grade, too Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #63
Yup geomon666 Jan 2013 #27
Yep, my sister and I were home sick. glowing Jan 2013 #42
Pre-launch pics of the pad... Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #7
Seconds From Disaster S3E18 - Space Shuttle Explosion - Challenger disaster Ian Iam Jan 2013 #8
Thank you n/t Lebam in LA Jan 2013 #13
Well worth watching. I doubt we will ever get the truth of the matter. Coyotl Jan 2013 #65
"The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party..... LongTomH Feb 2013 #73
That is rather odd Ian Iam Feb 2013 #75
Yes, it does! LongTomH Feb 2013 #79
and he still managed to get political mileage out of it. WI_DEM Jan 2013 #9
Reagan was all about the imagine and reality didn't much matter Botany Jan 2013 #12
The Air and Space Museum put up a memorial soon afterwards R Merm Jan 2013 #32
Prescription for Disaster: From the Glory of Apollo to the Betrayal of the Shuttle Octafish Jan 2013 #11
I think the hobbled Shuttle program was a bipartisan exercise caraher Jan 2013 #17
Thank you for the interesting link! zappaman Jan 2013 #19
There were many scientists who were also opposed adieu Jan 2013 #34
Still an issue Chathamization Jan 2013 #46
The military also added to the clusterfuck. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #24
Absolutely caraher Jan 2013 #68
"The Utah Connection" LongTomH Feb 2013 #84
Where was Nancy's astrologer that day? n/t Grantuspeace Jan 2013 #14
I remember watching that live Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #15
I still remember precisely where I was and what I was doing when I learned of the JDPriestly Jan 2013 #18
Me too. eom City Lights Jan 2013 #20
I was getting on the bus home from HS when I heard Marrah_G Jan 2013 #56
I didn't have to work that day. Was blow drying my hair after a shower and listening to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #61
I saw it as it happened from about 100 miles away. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #21
We can't blame every national tragedy on Republicans. SpankMe Jan 2013 #22
I'll grant you that adieu Jan 2013 #36
This isn't "everything". It is one thing. Coyotl Jan 2013 #44
+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #64
You read what you are allowed to read. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #81
I was in high school and heard it on the radio kudzu22 Jan 2013 #23
I remember that moment and can't believe it's been 27 yrs LittleGirl Jan 2013 #25
Republican choices put the crew in that spot that day GatorOrange Jan 2013 #28
The one major event in US history that I witnessed in person (i.e. live and not on TV) Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #29
I always remember that day Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #31
I remember hearing about this on the way to the bank that morning BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #33
Both WRONG and COVER-UP story too. Coyotl Jan 2013 #38
There was an attempt to murder you because of a story you were reporting? yardwork Jan 2013 #59
I did not get to interview my three assailants. They escaped. I was saved by locals. Coyotl Jan 2013 #62
Freaking Republicans and their vile anti-American criminal activities Berlum Feb 2013 #77
Arms for millions in secret slush funds for criminal activities! Coyotl Feb 2013 #78
I never knew that about this disaster. gtar100 Jan 2013 #40
Feynman wrote in "What do you care what other people think" lebkuchen Jan 2013 #41
I remember this very clearly. My folks lived in Philly at the time & my DH & I were flying back catbyte Jan 2013 #43
What is the evidence to support the claim that it was pushed for the SOU? lebkuchen Jan 2013 #45
Have you read this? catbyte Jan 2013 #66
No, and thanks lebkuchen Feb 2013 #72
I was at the launch FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #47
I remember the night before how big and *red* the moon was. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #52
I remember as if it were yesterday malaise Jan 2013 #48
I was going to watch the launch at home and get to work a little late. rocktivity Jan 2013 #49
I remember that. I was living in applegrove Jan 2013 #50
I remember it, but don't blame Reagan quinnox Jan 2013 #54
I blame Reagan warrprayer Jan 2013 #55
Krista McAuliffe's children are now in their 30s. They probably barely remember her. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #57
It's this kind of unnecessary nastiness that loses elections... reformist2 Jan 2013 #60
The TRUTH is brutal and necessary. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #71
And which elections would those be, Mr. Romney? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #82
That was on my birthday. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #70
So much blood is on that bastards hands and name libtodeath Feb 2013 #74
Republican "Family Values" (exploitation) screw America Berlum Feb 2013 #76
Do you have sources to prove that's what made Challenger blow up? Gentle-man Feb 2013 #85
It is common sense. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #86
see post # 12 ..... Ronnie got away w/a lot of shit. Botany Feb 2013 #87
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