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Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
14. Okay! Let's me look them over!
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jan 2013

CONGRESS

-- Requiring background checks on all gun sales. I am not opposed to this, and it might eventually do some good. It would not, however, do anything to deter a mass shooter. Gun owners might oppose this as a gun registration scheme.

-- Reinstating the assault weapons ban. The previous bill did NOTHING. It banned certain military style looks (which the manufacturers worked around), and things like bayonette lugs. It was, in short, feel good nonsense.

-- Renewing a 10-round limit on the size of ammunition magazines. Can't hurt. But remember there are literally MILLIONS of magazines already out there. During the previous ban they shot up in price but they were always available. Further, it is debatable how much of an impact this would really have deterring a mass shooter. It's can't hurt though.

-- Prohibiting the possession, transfer, manufacture and import of dangerous armor-piercing bullets. You WANT the guy shooting you to be using these as they are dramatically less lethal. Unless you are a cop of course, but I care about me first.

-- New gun trafficking laws penalizing people who help criminals get guns. Okay. I assume this goes hand in hand with the first proposal.

And that's that. Basically nothing there. Nothing that would stop a mass shooter, nothing that will really do a whole lot to curb (already declining) violent crime. Some okay suggestions but nothing earth shattering. The executive order stuff is nothing really, as I am sure you know from reading the list. And none of this addresses the question:

WHAT PROPOSALS WILL PREVENT THE NEXT MASS SHOOTING?

The only way to do that through legislation would be to ban weapons and actually go after them. Obviously this is not going to happen, it wouldn't pass either house of congress or the USSC, but even if it did it wouldn't prevent the next mass shooting -- it would cause it.

The anti-gun people need to take a step back, drop the emotion, and try to come up with some new ideas to address this issue. Or they can do as they normally do -- they can lose. The goal has to be to get gun owners to relax their death grip on their weapons, and that means working with them to ensure that their concerns are taken seriously.

Anyway, thanks for your post.





conservative writers, ... are calling the unfolding gun debate a "distraction" and a "red herring" Kolesar Jan 2013 #1
With due respect, I think that sounds silly. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #2
No, it's a good sound bite. There are obviously a lot of Americans who are willing to let .... Scuba Jan 2013 #4
It's a GREAT sound bite. Squinch Jan 2013 #6
I totally disagree. Anyone who claims that doesn't understand the minds of gun owners.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #12
"Anyone who claims that doesn't understand the minds of gun owners...." Scuba Jan 2013 #15
Neither do you. My opinion is....it's a bad slogan that wouldn't convince anyone Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #16
What do you suggest? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #21
"I'm not anti-gun. I'm pro-reasonable gun control" Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #22
"Pro-Regulation" that's a good, and all around one as well Lordquinton Jan 2013 #25
Sorry, gun culture's ownership, accumulation of, promotion of guns is significantly responsible . Hoyt Jan 2013 #27
Just read the linked article... FarPoint Jan 2013 #5
"We aren't anti-choice. We are pro-life!" Same slogan. It doesn't convince anyone but the base who Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #13
Absolutely. Kids > Fetish. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #3
Is anybody proposing any "gun control" we haven't had, more or less, at some time in the past? AlbertCat Jan 2013 #7
Go ahead. These attempts to reframe the gun debate are why the AWB will fail. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #8
The article fails at the first "point" Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #9
Here's the list of proposals. If some of these are enacted, babylonsister Jan 2013 #11
Okay! Let's me look them over! Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #14
They can't drop the emotion because without it rational logic fails. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #20
Ah yes. The mr. Spock argument Scootaloo Jan 2013 #28
You can say that again! Pholus Jan 2013 #29
Your grasp of galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #30
Bingo. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #17
And yet, amazingly, you have no clue what "side" I am on in this debate Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #23
Can't say I gave that any thought, actually. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #24
I'm anti-stupid and that's what the NRA is Cha Jan 2013 #10
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #18
I am anti-bullshit. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #19
Sadly we wouldn't be having this debate if... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #26
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