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25. No, actually we won't

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:05 AM

Jan 2013

The only real question is how many beserk gun owers will need to go off before we change. Change will come, but it will not be the "gun grabbers" that cause it, it will be the gun owners. At some point the death toll will be large enough, give it time. If one elementary school, shopping mall, or movie theater won't do it, beserk gun owners can be counted on to produce more.

As it is now, the mere killing of 4 or 5 relatives / ex-wife and her friends, or such only gets you brief mention in the media. There is just too much of that going on at this time spend alot of time on any one event. You really have to get up near or well into double digits among strangers or kids for sustained attention. The folks who want this attention will keep taking it up another notch, on this we can depend.

At some point the carnage will get horrific enough that something will be done. That something will be sudden, demanded by the people, and vastly exceed the "gun grabbers" wildest expectations.

I don't know when or if I will live to see it, but the course is set, only the gun owners could change it, and they won't.

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Even gangsters live in fear of Japan’s gun laws by Jake Adelstein [View all] farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP

Can't argue with their murder rate MightyMopar Jan 2013 #1

They do have a bit of a suicide problem however.. pipoman Jan 2013 #2

In Japanese culture there is a long history of honorable suicide, such as ritual suicide by Samurai farminator3000 Jan 2013 #3

Harakiri. It even has a name. marybourg Jan 2013 #4

Seppuku. Harakiri is sort of slang. /nt TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #28

You are correct.. AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #38

They wouldn't have so many names if it weren't ingrained marybourg Jan 2013 #48

Yeah, I don't think so.. pipoman Jan 2013 #6

that is terrible logic. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #13

I didn't know we were talking about pipoman Jan 2013 #15

16% of gun owners leave their guns loaded and unlocked farminator3000 Jan 2013 #17

The simple logic pipoman Jan 2013 #20

japanese people have more concept of honor and hurt themselves before others. duh. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #22

if 22 per 100,000 is twice 17 per 100,000, you might want to check your math farminator3000 Jan 2013 #23

You are correct legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #49

thanks! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #50

Someone on a thread here gave a stat that said the number of gun deaths in the USA was misconstrued. freshwest Jan 2013 #24

here's two articles farminator3000 Jan 2013 #40

Thanks... Someone posted an excerpt from a writer who saw the Forbes article. Guns make it easier. freshwest Jan 2013 #43

"Nobody commits suicide because of the presence of a gun". DanTex Jan 2013 #33

Thank you for this input thucythucy Jan 2013 #35

Exactly! With 'little planning during a short-term crisis' that's the truth. freshwest Jan 2013 #44

well mental health professionals DO think so so stop it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #39

All have more restrictive gun laws than the US...all of them.. pipoman Jan 2013 #57

take a look at your original statement again. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58

OK pipoman Jan 2013 #59

stay with me here- if someone is homicidally pissed at someone they also love, they might use farminator3000 Jan 2013 #63

Ifs and mights pipoman Jan 2013 #68

no, fact and facts. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #69

three more murder suicides in the 20 hours since post #17- incomplete list farminator3000 Jan 2013 #64

OK? pipoman Jan 2013 #70

What does that have to do with anything? This is a well known RBKA extremist talking point. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #32

Actually calling things you disagree with a talking point is a talking point.. pipoman Jan 2013 #60

You mean like changing the subject from Japan's huge success with gun control to something else? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #73

Yeah, luckily in America we don't have a bit of a suicide problem. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #42

"A suicide problem" pipoman Jan 2013 #62

Japan's murder rate is understated legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #46

damn, you're good! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #51

" if a father kills himself, his spouse and two children, Japan counts it as 4 suicides," redqueen Jan 2013 #55

International comparisons are dangerous legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #61

Yeah, we'll just require gang members to come in and take tests. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #5

what about all the illegal dealers? just selling guns to gang members w/ no BG check is preferable? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #9

If you believe that 40% of all guns do not go through a background check then you are an idiot. Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #18

how many, then, if you are the expert? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #21

You didn't read the post correctly, you know that right? uponit7771 Jan 2013 #26

i said 40% are COMPLETELY illegal- no BG check is MUCH higher! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #53

Here is an Idea Berserker Jan 2013 #7

Have fun being the next Randy Weaver Electric Monk Jan 2013 #10

try this farminator3000 Jan 2013 #14

No, actually we won't quaker bill Jan 2013 #25

I dont know Locrian Jan 2013 #74

I agree with the sentiment quaker bill Jan 2013 #75

Japan has guns too, the government just doesn't support mass murder uponit7771 Jan 2013 #27

Nailed it. freshwest Jan 2013 #45

Japan has very few guns legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #47

Here's the link you forgot Electric Monk Jan 2013 #8

whoops! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #11

funny how all the gunners start whooping without actually reading the whole thing, huh? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #12

They have the kind of gun control I'd be more comfortable with... EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #16

Are you implying the constitution and bill of rights are outdated, and should be ignored? Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #19

Only wingers think that but only on the issue of voting uponit7771 Jan 2013 #29

No, just that they should be interpreted in line with... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #30

Germany has similar stringent laws for its gun owners. no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #31

THEY ARE NAZIS OH MY GOD THEY WILL COME TO TAKE THE GUNZ!!! (joke) farminator3000 Jan 2013 #41

Not Nazi Germany. Not according to this poster at DKos arendt Jan 2013 #76

Clarification: "Modern" Germany. no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #77

Apologies. You did say "has". I was distracted... arendt Jan 2013 #78

It's OK. no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #79

"The fewer guns that are out there, the safer Japan is." DanTex Jan 2013 #34

I actually know AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #36

Yeah, but do they prosecute minor drug offenders like we do? sadbear Jan 2013 #37

Ah so... clydefrand Jan 2013 #52

THAT is the way gun ownership should be approached in the U.S.... mike_c Jan 2013 #54

15 f'in seconds. grow up, all of you gun bunnies farminator3000 Jan 2013 #56

This is why I like Japan LittleBlue Jan 2013 #65

Gun control advocates march as nation reels from school shootings farminator3000 Jan 2013 #66

not to mention the food farminator3000 Jan 2013 #67

Japan's homicide rate (total) is ¼ of our non-gun homicide rate krispos42 Jan 2013 #71

9,369 divided by 47 = our gun murder rate is ~200 times higher than japan's farminator3000 Jan 2013 #72