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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. No one will stop you from smoking or drinking.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jan 2013

The Oregon law would require a prescription for cigarettes. That would not need to stop anyone from smoking.

You have to have a prescription for a lot of drugs that could be sold over the counter. They aren't because the medical profession wants to make sure that the person using the drug is not harmed for it.

Smoking is your choice. You can't choose to smoke in the office building, airplane or hotel room in which I work or fly or stay, but you can choose to smoke. As long as you are hurting only yourself, that's fine.

A woman's right to choose is very different. In fact, smoking, although it can end your life, is in no way comparable to giving birth and taking responsibility for the life of a child.

Here is what Sandra Day O'Connor said about why abortion is legal.

The mother who carries a child to full term is subject to anxieties, to physical constraints, to pain that only she must bear. That these sacrifices have from the beginning of the human race been endured by woman with a pride that ennobles her in the eyes of others and gives to the infant a bond of love cannot alone be grounds for the State to insist she make the sacrifice. Her suffering is too intimate and personal for the State to insist, without more, upon its own vision of the woman's role, however dominant that vision has been in the course of our history and our culture. The destiny of the woman must be shaped to a large extent on her own conception of her spiritual imperatives and her place in society.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-744.ZO.html

In fuller context -- but go to the link to read the entire case:

Our law affords constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education. Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U. S., at 685. Our cases recognize "the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child." Eisenstadt v. Baird, supra, at 453 (emphasis in original). Our precedents "have respected the private realm of family life which the state cannot enter." Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158, 166 (1944). These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State.

These considerations begin our analysis of the woman's interest in terminating her pregnancy but cannot end it, for this reason: though the abortion decision may originate within the zone of conscience and belief, it is more than a philosophic exercise. Abortion is a unique act. It is an act fraught with consequences for others: for the woman who must live with the implications of her decision; for the persons who perform and assist in the procedure; for the spouse, family, and society which must confront the knowledge that these procedures exist, procedures some deem nothing short of an act of violence against innocent human life; and, depending on one's beliefs, for the life or potential life that is aborted. Though abortion is conduct, it does not follow that the State is entitled to proscribe it in all instances. That is because the liberty of the woman is at stake in a sense unique to the human condition and so unique to the law. The mother who carries a child to full term is subject to anxieties, to physical constraints, to pain that only she must bear. That these sacrifices have from the beginning of the human race been endured by woman with a pride that ennobles her in the eyes of others and gives to the infant a bond of love cannot alone be grounds for the State to insist she make the sacrifice. Her suffering is too intimate and personal for the State to insist, without more, upon its own vision of the woman's role, however dominant that vision has been in the course of our history and our culture. The destiny of the woman must be shaped to a large extent on her own conception of her spiritual imperatives and her place in society.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-744.ZO.html

100 Percent Correct kairos12 Jan 2013 #1
Also, these "pro-life" people Hayabusa Jan 2013 #2
Exactly. The hypocrisy is astounding. They're "pro-life" yet are willing to kill & bomb. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #4
The people I love even more are the ones who say "a womans body a womans choice) but that DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #3
This makes no sense. Last I checked tobacco, alcohol, & obesity is legal. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6
True, however there's a thread up now where a state is trying to pass a law that says DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #7
Still makes no sense. And it is a bizarre equation to even make. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #8
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy both ways. The Dems don't believe you have a right to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #9
I'm a Dem and I don't care what you do with your body as long as it doesn't harm others. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #12
You don't understand the definition of hypocrisy. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #15
Arn't we 'Dem'? daleanime Jan 2013 #16
Let me know when Dems march on DC to take away your smoking rights. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #22
Er, this Dem thinks you have a right to smoke. MH1 Jan 2013 #32
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav JDPriestly Jan 2013 #20
When you can keep smoke in your own lungs Zoeisright Jan 2013 #14
No. As a woman I don't see them as any different. Either way through laws & taxes DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #24
No one will stop you from smoking or drinking. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #19
Not equivalent. Hissyspit Jan 2013 #26
"Oooo the dangers of second hand pregnancy!" No one said, EVER. nt left coaster Jan 2013 #28
I know you were being sarcastic but there really are second hand dangers and consequences DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #29
Holy fuck. Give it up. Hissyspit Jan 2013 #35
You're really going there? REP Jan 2013 #33
You're goofy. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #34
my theory, you only truly love the fetus, if you love the old man/woman it becomes... spanone Jan 2013 #5
Shamefully loathsome hypocrisy knows indepat Jan 2013 #10
I really do think our "pro lifers" are really no better than the Taliban. Initech Jan 2013 #11
Not to mention cutting prenatal care and prenatal health research. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #13
One of my sons once got brave enough to tell me he favored "restricting abortions" mountain grammy Jan 2013 #17
It has never been pro-life or anti-abortion adieu Jan 2013 #18
I'm always saying, if you don't believe in abortion then don't have one. SheilaT Jan 2013 #21
As Jennifer Granholm wrote in the Huffington Post a while back, they are Pro-BIRTH, that's it. Flaxbee Jan 2013 #23
As someone once said... PennsylvaniaMatt Jan 2013 #25
Pro-BIRTH people HockeyMom Jan 2013 #27
And if a fetus has the same rights as the born OnionPatch Jan 2013 #30
Pro-"lifers" won't be content until the United States of America becomes the Republic of Gilead. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #31
Personally, I never took the anti-choice types seriously either bluestater1966fgs Jan 2013 #36
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