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octoberlib

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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:48 PM Jan 2013

This is a Big, Big Deal-Josh Marshall Talking Points Memo [View all]

A week ago I noted a new Republican push to gerrymander the electoral college to make it almost impossible for Democrats to win the presidency in 2016 and 2020, even if they match or exceed Barack Obama’s vote margin in 2012. Is something like that really possible? Yes, very possible.
To review, here’s how it works. The US electoral college system is based on winner take all delegate allocation in all but two states. If you get just one more vote than the other candidate you get all the electoral votes. One way to change the system is go to proportional allocation. That would still give some advantage to the overall winner. But not much. The key to the Republican plan is to do this but only in Democratic leaning swing states — not in any of the states where Republicans win. That means you take away all the advantage Dems win by winning states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and so forth.

But the Republican plan goes a step further. Rather than going by the overall vote in a state, they’d allocate by congressional district. And this is where it gets real good, or bad, depending on your point of view. Democrats are now increasingly concentrated in urban areas and Republicans did an extremely successful round of gerrymandering in 2010, enough to enable them to hold on to a substantial House majority even though they got fewer votes in House races than Democrats.
In other words, the new plan is to make the electoral college as wired for Republicans as the House currently is. But only in Dem leaning states. In Republican states just keep it winner take all. So Dems get no electoral votes at all.

This all sounds pretty crazy. But it gets even crazier when you see the actual numbers. They’re already pushing a bill to do this in the Virginia legislature. Remember, Barack Obama won Virginia and got 13 electoral votes. But as Benjy Sarlin reported today in a series of posts, if the plan now being worked on would have been in place last November, Mitt Romney would have lost the state but still got 9 electoral votes to Obama’s 4. Think of that, two-thirds of the electoral votes for losing the state. If the Virginia plan had been in place across the country, as Republicans are now planning to do, Mitt Romney would have been elected president even though he lost by more than 5 million votes.
Remember, plans to do this are already underway in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and other states in the Midwest.

This is happening.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/this_is_a_big_big_deal.php
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He just noticed this a week ago? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #1
He NOTED it a week ago. On the website' noted' links to another article. nt octoberlib Jan 2013 #3
LOL oops limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #5
I do the same thing all the time. octoberlib Jan 2013 #7
What tics me off is we've known this ever since upaloopa Jan 2013 #2
A bunch of journalists I follow on Twitter were talking about this today octoberlib Jan 2013 #4
I think Mother Jones had an article today pointing out that... mattclearing Jan 2013 #42
He's been watching Rachel? That said.. the more outlets annabanana Jan 2013 #6
The Republicans know that they can't win the arguments on issues anymore Larkspur Jan 2013 #8
IMO the "electoral college" is an anachronism and should be abolished in favor of the popular vote. xtraxritical Jan 2013 #41
If they ever get the majority back Lordquinton Jan 2013 #46
and this is how they rationalize it Enrique Jan 2013 #9
The confederacy lives. Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #11
pretty much where they are at lunasun Jan 2013 #52
The voters of the states are to blame. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #10
As a Virginia resident, I agree. Neurotica Jan 2013 #12
Good for you! I just got a local Democratic org. flyer here in TX. I might actually get involved.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #13
It's hard to find the time but it's so worth it if you have a chance. Neurotica Jan 2013 #27
It is very exciting to think a change can be made. Esp since I live in TX and there's a chance Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #37
I live in NJ but if you form a Pac I would be happy to donate. Walk away Jan 2013 #14
We might. I'll let you know. Neurotica Jan 2013 #25
Good! nt Walk away Jan 2013 #33
+1 octoberlib Jan 2013 #20
Good for you and good luck. Grass roots efforts can change everything. mountain grammy Jan 2013 #55
+1. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #59
I sadly agree with every word you wrote. MH1 Jan 2013 #15
Well, it would be a different matter if ALL the states did it. But when ONLY swing states do it... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #19
No, because of gerrymandering n2doc Jan 2013 #22
Perhaps if Dims would govern like Dems CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #44
The key term here is "Community Organizing" Saul Alinsky and Mother Jones knew how that worked. libdem4life Jan 2013 #16
WTF?!?! Ah HELL NO benld74 Jan 2013 #17
Real life evil villians libodem Jan 2013 #18
This sounds like something a third world dictator would do Politicub Jan 2013 #21
Yes, it does sound 3rd world dictatorial. Giving the unethical a "legal" veneer... Beartracks Jan 2013 #26
It's a plan to vandalize the Republic itself JHB Jan 2013 #28
National Popular Vote november3rd Jan 2013 #67
huge Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #23
Hell Yeah! This has been out there...Glad Josh Woke Up to It! Good News..K&$ KoKo Jan 2013 #24
This confuses me. I have no understanding of how gerrymandering works. Know a good primer? n/t PerpetuallyDazed Jan 2013 #29
Here are some sources octoberlib Jan 2013 #38
Thanks! PerpetuallyDazed Jan 2013 #53
they've already done this with the House Betty Jan 2013 #30
There is a little silver lining here (admittedly a stretch) BlueStreak Jan 2013 #31
This would be a good electoral reform dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #32
K & R AzDar Jan 2013 #34
Time to take to the streets! BootinUp Jan 2013 #35
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #36
This is so important that i think President Obama needs to talk about it at Hawaii Hiker Jan 2013 #39
It is past time to do away with the Electoral College system. olegramps Jan 2013 #40
Someone needs to take these people to court lunatica Jan 2013 #43
Unfortunately I think the Doge of the Supreme Court (Scalia) and his friends... 47of74 Jan 2013 #56
Clarence Thomas with his Teabag Party wife is more worrisome lunatica Jan 2013 #61
Gerrymandering can rig the Electoral College, thus a legal basis to overturn gerrymandered states! Coyotl Jan 2013 #64
This could be a solution octoberlib Jan 2013 #45
Get rid of the electoral college. One person one vote. Count as in India. More people no problems judesedit Jan 2013 #47
I think secondvariety Jan 2013 #48
this is a true threat to democrasy samsingh Jan 2013 #49
If you could get all the states to do this, I'd be okay with it. Bucky Jan 2013 #50
there must be a plan to move huge numbers of progressives to these gerrymandered districts riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #51
Honestly I don't understand why you already accept undemocratic rule CdnExtraNational Jan 2013 #54
+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #60
Apathy, yes. Those of us who took to the streets as Occupy exhorted our fellow citizens Zorra Jan 2013 #68
Another small step. hay rick Jan 2013 #57
Bipartisanship You Can Believe In blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #58
Stop those mofos butt cold... peace frog Jan 2013 #62
This is racism in its purest sense, disenfranchising black communities by gerrymandering them. Coyotl Jan 2013 #63
They have no clue what Democracy is... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #65
Better late than never daybranch Jan 2013 #66
This should be a no-brainer PATRICK Jan 2013 #69
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