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In the discussion thread: Damn Defeatism and Doomsaying! [View all]

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:02 PM

longship (18,223 posts)

75. Well, the majority makes the rules.

So it can go back and forth and back and forth along with who owns the majority.

The Dems just might not want that kind of world war on the Senate floor. I am sure that the Republicans don't either. That's another hypothetical one must consider.

When making such decisions you cannot make assumptions about outcomes. You have to consider all the possibilities and weigh them appropriately.

Killing the filibuster is a very, very risky thing to do! I don't blame the Democrats for being skitterish about doing it. Especially without support from the opposition it is hugely risky!

I support Harry Reid on this. He didn't cave at all. He played his hand well.

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104 replies	Author	Time	Post
Damn Defeatism and Doomsaying! [View all]	MineralMan	Jan 2013	OP
More: Not everyone who claims to be progressive or liberal is.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#1
Kinda disagree, after we lost Ted Kennedy, the senate has been gridlocked.	LeftInTX	Jan 2013	#2
And yet, things got done. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#3
Things got done in the first two years	CranialRectaLoopback	Jan 2013	#68
What a post!	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#70
Or GingrichCare	CranialRectaLoopback	Jan 2013	#91
Yup. Indeed, a lot is getting done.	woo me with science	Jan 2013	#93
Thank you! And thanks for the links.	CranialRectaLoopback	Jan 2013	#94
Shhh.	tblue	Jan 2013	#81
Thanks for your CONCERN. nt.	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#89
I am concerned, even if you aren't.	CranialRectaLoopback	Jan 2013	#92
No, you're just another Obama-hater. Good luck while you're here. nt.	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#95
Disagreeing with disagreeable policy	CranialRectaLoopback	Jan 2013	#103
For a little over 4 months, there were 60 Senators...	SidDithers	Jan 2013	#18
giving the dems 60 votes counting the one from Sanders and the one from LIEberman	madokie	Jan 2013	#59
Not to mention ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#65
thanks, in my haste I'd forgotten them	madokie	Jan 2013	#67
Sorry. You're 100% right...	SidDithers	Jan 2013	#73
No problem	madokie	Jan 2013	#85
I don't like it, but I have to support Harry on this.	longship	Jan 2013	#4
Thank you n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#6
Yes. I was surprised to see Barbara Boxer and Diane	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#7
As do I disagree.	longship	Jan 2013	#9
Yes, that's true. Realism has always	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#10
But ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#16
Should the Republicans ever get control of the Senate, dont count on them remembering	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#27
You should't "feel" like you were betrayed.	russspeakeasy	Jan 2013	#31
I choose to not project into the future here.	longship	Jan 2013	#44
I understand and appreciate your optimism, but if the patient is bleeding	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#50
Or Democratic Senators that realize that majorities come and go.	longship	Jan 2013	#64
With respect I think you are wrong. Even if we get in the minority, there is absolutely	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#69
Well, the majority makes the rules.	longship	Jan 2013	#75
No one is suggesting "killing the filibuster", just make it reasonable.	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#77
But doing it unilaterally would have been very bad for Dems.	longship	Jan 2013	#80
Thank you n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#5
And thank you for supporting real change.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#8
But ... But ... But ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#12
and so is condescension	russspeakeasy	Jan 2013	#32
Point noted ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#63
Do tell. Please explain what you mean by "condescension and phony understanding". nt.	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#90
Indeed......n/t	AverageJoe90	Jan 2013	#38
We only needed 50 votes. We have 53 Democratic Senators and 2 Independents.	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#11
Optimism ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2013	#14
If history plays out like it has in the past we'll not always have a majority	madokie	Jan 2013	#60
If you are suggesting we shouldnt "fix" this rule that has been abused	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#66
For the most part we play by the rules where as the pukes don't or won't	madokie	Jan 2013	#71
I agree with that.	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#72
Glad somebody's optimistic.	tblue	Jan 2013	#83
Reid said that he had the 51 votes.	cali	Jan 2013	#13
If he actually had them, the change would have been put to a vote.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#15
so you don't take his word for it, and YOU know better	cali	Jan 2013	#20
The Ezra Klein Washington Post article is fairly comprehensive.	LeftInTX	Jan 2013	#54
I think I agree with you. First, it isnt a valid argument to say "but he said" when refering to a	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#62
Minor point. Currently there are only 99 Senators. He only needs 50 not counting Biden. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#46
Thanks for that clarification.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#47
But he sure made Turtle happy.	tblue	Jan 2013	#84
Hear, hear!	Hekate	Jan 2013	#17
Thank you! When some declare utter failure	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#22
I think you are right about it being...	Hekate	Jan 2013	#26
Yep.	AverageJoe90	Jan 2013	#36
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "... what calls itself 'the Left'" appears to have	patrice	Jan 2013	#55
P.S. I'd LOVE to see a real Left!!! but I have to be honest that about all I've seen so far is	patrice	Jan 2013	#61
Fascist? Who is reaping the proceeds of production, Patrice?	TheKentuckian	Jan 2013	#102
It just occurred to me: we have to consider the possibility that what calls itself "the Left" didn't	patrice	Jan 2013	#74
Thanks for posting this.	CBHagman	Jan 2013	#19
My pleasure, and I agree with you.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#23
Focus: 2014	KharmaTrain	Jan 2013	#21
Excellent points.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#24
Expatriots?	ErikJ	Jan 2013	#25
Expatriates. Some are quoted regularly here.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#29
There's also posters active on DU who never have voted and never will vote for a Democrat	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#42
There are many posters on DU.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#43
You seem pretty good at writing posts people want to rec	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#52
Not really. My posts get a few recs, but far fewer than many other posters.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#56
I comment on named DUers also	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#78
I do not troll on DU. Ever. nt	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#97
All those dog whistles make it into your posts by accident?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#104
ALL true K&R!	patrice	Jan 2013	#28
Sen. Tom Harkin does not agree.	WilliamPitt	Jan 2013	#30
And I think Harkin's wrong, too.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#34
Excellent post, MineralMan!	AverageJoe90	Jan 2013	#33
Gosh, us of lesser understanding are so please with	russspeakeasy	Jan 2013	#35
Sarcasm works better when it's spelled correctly,	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#39
Gosh, thanks again.	russspeakeasy	Jan 2013	#41
A celebration of defeat, uh?	earthside	Jan 2013	#37
You'll forgive me, I'm sure,	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#40
Oh my, not the expatriates!	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#45
Mineral Man has so much more knowlege than current Congressional Democrats, that we look forward	canoeist52	Jan 2013	#48
Another name I'm not familiar with. Thanks	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#51
There must have been something added to the bill that made dems vote no. Hopefully new one coming	judesedit	Jan 2013	#49
"doomsayer" is just a synonym for "realist". nt	Speck Tater	Jan 2013	#53
No, you know, it's not.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#58
Most got accomplished in the first 2 years where we had the majority. There is no evidence to back	still_one	Jan 2013	#57
K&R	SunSeeker	Jan 2013	#76
As always,the haters just see bad of everything, instead of looking ahead.	graham4anything	Jan 2013	#79
Who are they?	JoeDuck	Jan 2013	#82
it is all coming from the usual quarters	arely staircase	Jan 2013	#86
Someone sent a bullshit alert on your post	BainsBane	Jan 2013	#87
Thanks. Someone always alerts on	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#96
mine too	BainsBane	Jan 2013	#98
GREAT JOB!!!!........You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!	Pauldg47	Jan 2013	#88
Daily temper tantrum	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2013	#99
I recc'd this	BootinUp	Jan 2013	#100
You Are Correct Sir... We Should Exept Everything That Is Said... At Face Value...	WillyT	Jan 2013	#101

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